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#21 by kanjoormadam09 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 08:36

I agree with you Sir, All that we humans deal are made by us itself .Even the God and religions we practise are made by we humans. Do animals or birds have God? Has anyone seen God? All that we predict or practise are silly in a sense.
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#22 by valerie » Tue Aug 10, 2021 09:22

Some times, people get misinformation.

The number of covid patient cases in the USA hospitals that have NOT been vaccinated
is 97%.

Shouldn't that tell people something?

This is not to say people that have been vaccinated won't get covid. It is to say they are
greater protected from it then those that have not been fully vaccinated. It actually says
a whole lot because when 97% of covid cases in hospitals are those that have not been
jabbed, that's leaving a penance of 3%. Of those 3%, I do not have stats but I would
gather at least a portion of those are very elderly, and may have underlying conditions.

In regards to religion, people really should take it upon themselves to read the facts.

Very few wars have been due to religion. Very very few. This relates all the way back
to the Bible and all throughout recorded history.

War is almost always due to 'greed, money, power, and resources', not to mention
racism.

If your land has oil, other countries want it.
If your land has land, other countries want it.
If your land has rivers, other countries want it.
If your land has agriculture, other countries want it.
If your land has gold or silver or gems, other countries want it.
If your land has anything, you can bet, some other country wants it.

This even goes much further such as bombs, munitions, nuclear power, and so on.

Some people point to Hitler and point to religion as the cause. Nothing could be further
from the truth.

Hitler hated the jews but it had nothing to do with religion. Hitler hated the jews long
before he was in power. Hitler hate everyone that was not of pure German blood. He
hated drug abusers, people with disabilities, mentally impaired, etc. Riding of the jews
was only Hitler's brief start. If Hitler had won, he would have continued his war on other
nationalities.

In regards to God, He is faith. If one does not have faith in God, what does one have?

Reading the Bible tells us a lot about truth, facts, nature, humanity, and love for all.
It's a very interesting read of which most has come to pass.
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#23 by Darkstar2 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:12

This should be a sticky post and it should be on the test :lol:

valerie wrote: Some times, people get misinformation.

The number of covid patient cases in the USA hospitals that have NOT been vaccinated
is 97%.

Shouldn't that tell people something?

It should be one must be careful. Hopefully most people know that vaccines are not 100%, there is never 100% protection, however, the protection that COVID19 vaccines provide (Pfizer and Moderna) are very high. The FDA's threshold for approval is only 50%, these vaccines have above 90% efficacy which is quite good for a vaccine. You don't even get close to that with the Flu vaccine. However, this efficacy was based on the original virus. Now we have variants, this brings vaccine efficacy down, some variants bring the levels down even further. In America, it is only Pfizer and Moderna, so highest efficacy, but for the Delta variant you will not get as high efficacy. I don't know what the real numbers are but based on testing they found that Moderna offers the highest efficacy, only a few percentage points between Moderna and Pfizer, so perhaps for Delta, 80% protection from hospitalisation. So that number you see 97%, that might change soon and real quick. With variants becoming predominant you will see more and more fully vaccinated people in hospitals, STILL, that should tell people something - it's better to have some protection than none, and even with variants you still have a high protection from vaccines, high enough, so it's better to have let's say eventually 20% of vaccinated people in hospitals, than several times that for people who develop severe symptoms.

ALSO another thing to consider, if fully vaccinated people are exposed to too many infections around them, chances are they may develop severe symptoms - it might impact vaccine efficacy even lower.

Within 6 months time, we will have new variants this time that will bring down efficacy even lower, and by that time it's likely the protection will have faded. As long as there are too many infections going around, mutations will occur, it is near certain that in 6-12 months we will need a newly adapted vaccine for variants, for NOW, current vaccines protect well enough against variants. But if people want to act like a bunch of cocks and ignore the facts, what will happen is that the vaccines will be rendered almost useless, or efficacy reduced so much that it will cause an overflow in hospitalisations - it is the people who will be fully vaccinated who will feel betrayed - all because of a % of the population that did not suck it up and go get the damn vaccine - herd immunity could have been reached by now, but no, people would rather believe in aliens, UFO, and other quackery than that - YES I understand people's concern about vaccines, but let's see now, the risks are almost insignificant compared to the high risk of COVID19 variants, these new variants are so infectious that eventually every person who is non vaccinated will get it, it's a matter of WHEN and not IF - but people are still stubborn - and as long as Biden is in power, don't expect anything of the likes of mandatory vaccination or any drastic measures to restore order - In Canada and America, it's wait until disaster happens act later..........Much the same mentality here from the muppets who run the show - Our PM has opened borders again - BIG mistake - our borders should be CLOSED for all non essential travel, that's the only way to prevent the variants from coming in here, people should keep their snotty little virus at home, I'm sure the United States do not want more virus, and neither do we, but opening the borders is so irresponsible, but there again this muppet of a PM is going to election soon and odds are he is going to be re-elected (this tells you a lot about Canadians, who are willing to vote corruption into power, 3 times in a row).

What is scary is that the other vaccines (J&J, Astra, Sputnik and Sinovac, etc...) show a much reduced efficacy with variants, in the likes of 50-60%. In China cases have risen, in Wuhan, but in China they have an effective weapon - discipline - they can control an outbreak when it happens......In other countries, there is total lack of obedience and discipline, so their reliance on vaccines is stronger. America should have been able by now to reach herd immunity, they have access to vaccines sine December, the whole vaccine campaign in America is a big sham, and EPIC failure and total lack of leadership of the sitting President, the magician Biden who promised to crush the virus.........yeah good job on that :lol: Some states have less than half, that's absurd - that's crazy, vaccination is a collective effort, if not enough of the population is vaccinated, it renders your protection almost useless, because statistically eventually you may get it strong as you are continually exposed to the virus. People who are fully vaccinated now should not assume they are protected forever, and should continue applying the protective measures - mask wearing and distance, no hugging, no kissing, no nothing, and avoiding risky activities. :D

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This is not to say people that have been vaccinated won't get covid. It is to say they are
greater protected from it then those that have not been fully vaccinated.

Right, you still get infected if you are vaccinated, but the difference is, your body is already primed and trained to recognise the virus and stop it before it gets a chance to do the damage, BUT meanwhile you can still shed the virus, turn positive in tests and even spread the virus .

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Very few wars have been due to religion. Very very few. This relates all the way back
to the Bible and all throughout recorded history.

Well aside from WW1 and WW2, I am referring mainly to the conflicts and unrest in the middle east and other countries, for sure it has to do with religion and territory - there has always been tension between 2 specific religions, and I think you know which ones I am referring to, think Palestine and Israel as a clue - then you have a religion that wants to kill and abolish another religion labelling them as infidels - certain wars inside specific countries were all about that - In some countries like Lebanon it has been the case, and in the middle east the same, mind you it is the fanatic version of the religion that people have mangled for their own agenda, but still, religion plays a big role in many conflicts, if you are a particular religion you might be disliked by another specific religion because they will claim you took their territory (by you, they mean that religion) -

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War is almost always due to 'greed, money, power, and resources', not to mention
racism.

Yes traditional wars, yes, that's true, but isolated wars and conflicts, mostly territorial and religious.
Then you have terrorist groups that form, their mission is to kill as many people (infidels) who do not subscribe
to their doctrine, if that is not religion then what is ....

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Some people point to Hitler and point to religion as the cause. Nothing could be further
from the truth.

Of course Hitler is a different story that has nothing to do, it's more the fear that the jews would take over, his hate
had nothing to do with religion. It's kind of ironic that he hated jews, wasn't his first love Jewish ? Anyhow,
he pretty much hated everything that moved except his supporters - but one thing Hitler did not do is send planes into buildings, hijack planes, or use God almighty's name to justify murder, he had one mission, but for different reasons than one religion NOW that wants to eliminate another. Fortunately for most of the world, Hitler lost,
but sometimes I wonder, what would the world be had he won, it would be significantly different, personally I have nothing against any religion - BUT..............................I will NEVER respect ANY religion or cult that uses my creator's name to justify murder, NEVER. Hitler acted on his OWN accord, today, a specific mangled religion is acting allegedly on their God's accord and orders which is absolutely bloody absurd !!! and my blood BOILS when I hear their justification that they will end up in heaven for doing such acts as allegedly dictated by God, it makes me sick, because I know that this is not the reality, no God would condone such acts - and these fanatics took a peaceful religion and turned it into a violent one.

So my questions for history, what if Hitler had won what would world be like.........
What if Palestinian land was not taken, would the world be in such unrest today, would there still be bad blood between 2 specific religions......

Comparing Hitler to what is happening today is apples and oranges, Hitler acted by his own accord, that does not make his action any more justifiable, he was a monster, but compared to what is happening today, it's a walk in the park. The violence and unrest happening today is very concerning. Hitler was stopped - unfortunately today the terrorist groups are taking ground and these movements are expanding everywhere, they are hardly stoppable.

That turd who orchestrated 9/11 will surely be disappointed finding out that he is definitely not in heaven, he was not acting of his own accord but dictated by mangled scripture that promised him heaven - so disgusting.

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Reading the Bible tells us a lot about truth, facts, nature, humanity, and love for all.
It's a very interesting read of which most has come to pass.

Yeah you can say that again

Truth / facts, overshadowed by fake news and QUACKERY;
Nature ? Being destroyed by humans, global warming an issue, ice caps melting, half the earth on fire, fires everywhere, out of control, yep we are on the right path to destroy whatever is left of nature;
Humanity ? ahahaha so much for that, we live in the me myself and F****** I era, don't look for proof, COVID19 pandemic is the perfect example of how people are so divided and unwilling to work together in solidarity to win this war!!!
Love ? Let's see, divorces on the rise, brother killing brother, sister killing sister, parents killing their kids, family killing their own (there is a passage about that in the Bible, about people turning against each other) we are definitely in those times, if people are not convinced then they have issues - True love is almost nonexistent - it's been replaced by lust and fake. This pandemic has surfaced the HATE in people, road rage galore, more shootings, more crime, more violence, and yet you still have a bunch of people who are afraid of getting the vaccine because they don't wanna grow horns and start talking in reverse.
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#24 by Darkstar2 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:21

kanjoormadam09 wrote: In USA, Texas the number of covid cases are rising to alarming condition ;though majority are vaccinated twice. Vaccinations are the final cure what people think and neglect covid rules . This is the reason for the condition.

One should properly interpret cases - There is a difference between CASES and hospitalisations / death - Right now, since there is a vaccine, the important number is not the cases, but the hospitalisations and mortality. Nobody ever said that vaccines would stop CASES from happening - as long as the virus is circulating there will always be cases - cases will continue rising, BUT what is important to watch for is how many of those cases end up in the hospital, and so far, a large proportion of hospitalisations and mortality occur for people who were not vaccinated nor FULLY vaccinated, because you NEED BOTH doses for protection against the variants. Only one dose does not give much protection.

So the fact fully vaccinated people are testing positive, which makes the number of reported cases, it becomes irrelevant if the amount of hospitalisations and deaths are in majority of those non vaccinated. That is the number that matters.

Vaccinations ARE NOT the final cure - this is a misconception - vaccinations must be combined with applying the sanitary measures for some time to come, wearing masks, distancing, etc, in order to bring CASES down to a minimum, people need to stop the spread - the vaccine along cannot stop the spread, only discipline can - vaccines alone only buys time, it's only a matter of time before enough mutations render the vaccines much less effective, enough to bring back higher hospitalisations and deaths.

Vaccination is a start - you need at least 85% of the population for optimal immunity against variants, 75% herd immunity is for the original virus - but since the variants are far more virulent, 85% minimum is needed, and there is no way any country can reach 85% of the global population, fully vaccinated - this pandemic could last for years to come, some countries do not have the resources - yet it's disappointing to see that in countries where there is enough vaccine for EVERYONE and FREE, that people still don't want it, it's disgusting. In Canada the vaccine is FREE!!!!
I'm thinking it is the same in America, paid for by yours truly, the tax payer :D So why aren't people taking the opportunity. They fear the vaccine, but they don't fear the grim reaper variants - smh!
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#25 by kanjoormadam09 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 20:32

faith, humanity, religion, wars . God , discipline, hatred, fear, all these are man made and so can change with peoples attitude. There is nothing to be called sin in this world as all these are for humans only. Humans can kill and eat other creatures that is not a sin. If all the above vices are sin then It is the biggest sin .God is a myth and Bible and other religious books were compiled by humans to be secure a sort of selfishness
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#26 by tasman1 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 20:46

kanjoormadam09 wrote: faith, humanity, religion, wars . God , discipline, hatred, fear, all these are man made and so can change with peoples attitude. There is nothing to be called sin in this world as all these are for humans only. Humans can kill and eat other creatures that is not a sin. If all the above vices are sin then It is the biggest sin .God is a myth and Bible and other religious books were compiled by humans to be secure a sort of selfishness




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Since God or Gods created humans , we made coup d'état , put him [ or them ] in jail , we think we are better , we have now unlimited power to destroy this rock better and faster

Look , it did take God 7 day to create Earth [ very slow ] , we can destroy it in few second
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#27 by valerie » Tue Aug 10, 2021 22:07

Texas, yes but not near as much as some other states such as Florida and Alabama.

Thus far, it looks like it's going to be a very rough winter. I think they better start
lining people up for the booster.
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#28 by Arvind9 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 01:10

tasman1 wrote:
kanjoormadam09 wrote: faith, humanity, religion, wars . God , discipline, hatred, fear, all these are man made and so can change with peoples attitude. There is nothing to be called sin in this world as all these are for humans only. Humans can kill and eat other creatures that is not a sin. If all the above vices are sin then It is the biggest sin .God is a myth and Bible and other religious books were compiled by humans to be secure a sort of selfishness




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Since God or Gods created humans , we made coup d'état , put him [ or them ] in jail , we think we are better , we have now unlimited power to destroy this rock better and faster

Look , it did take God 7 day to create Earth [ very slow ] , we can destroy it in few second

Error Tasman1 god has definitely not created me if he created you thats a different matter
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#29 by tasman1 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 01:19

Arvind9 wrote:
tasman1 wrote:
kanjoormadam09 wrote: faith, humanity, religion, wars . God , discipline, hatred, fear, all these are man made and so can change with peoples attitude. There is nothing to be called sin in this world as all these are for humans only. Humans can kill and eat other creatures that is not a sin. If all the above vices are sin then It is the biggest sin .God is a myth and Bible and other religious books were compiled by humans to be secure a sort of selfishness




Simple reply
Since God or Gods created humans , we made coup d'état , put him [ or them ] in jail , we think we are better , we have now unlimited power to destroy this rock better and faster

Look , it did take God 7 day to create Earth [ very slow ] , we can destroy it in few second

Error Tasman1 god has definitely not created me if he created you thats a different matter




My photo is 100% proff that he did not created me :lol: :lol:
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#30 by Arvind9 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 01:32

But your post says god created humans I could challenge him everyday can he take it up and prove to his followers his existence he will loose his degnity
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#31 by Arvind9 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 02:49

kanjoormadam09 wrote: faith, humanity, religion, wars . God , discipline, hatred, fear, all these are man made and so can change with peoples attitude. There is nothing to be called sin in this world as all these are for humans only. Humans can kill and eat other creatures that is not a sin. If all the above vices are sin then It is the biggest sin .God is a myth and Bible and other religious books were compiled by humans to be secure a sort of selfishness

The word God was invented 2500 years ago it derived from the German word Gud,only Christ came after that,thats why the bible describes him as god,all other religious scripts written before the word God was invented dont have the word God because those who wrote the scripts did not know what was god the scripts have a very different meaning which we humans have still not decoded hisorians are still trying China found a script which they could not understand and handed over to Indian authorities because it is written in language that coincides with other scripts in India the Vedas describes a Colllider what is in Switzerland who knew what a collider is thousands of years ago some struuctures thousands of year old still exist in India depecting a collider those who built those structures built it as a form of scientific understanding they did not know what was god,many world renowned scientists have a copy of the Vedas and have visited these structures in India on the basis of it the Hadron Collider was built in Switzerland I saw a picture in which Bill gates was holding a copy of the Vedas
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#32 by kanjoormadam09 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 07:14

Nice explanation Sir which the people who blindly believe in God should understand :thumbup: .I consider nature as my god and Earth as my temple. Now these humans have made the temple a hell bringing many artificial Gods and my God has become furious
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#33 by Arvind9 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 07:26

Our Ancestors saw something even I believe we still cling on to the theory that our ancestors have been relating they did not even know they were on a planet how could they understand correctly something that they had never seen before there is a huge difference in the level of Intelligence that our ancestors possessed and we do today if the same events unfold today we will understand it in a very different way than what I ancestors understood but unfortunately those events were time bound wont repeat itself it was only for a civilization that was in its primitive stage with a very low level of intelligence
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#34 by kanjoormadam09 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 20:21

Correct :D :D . The old people did not know much about the nature its dependence on human lives. But today with intellectual developments many mysteries have been unveiled and still some people are not ready to accept the changes and go after worship of human Gods. Love nature you will see the difference
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#35 by tasman1 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 20:34

kanjoormadam09 wrote: Nice explanation Sir which the people who blindly believe in God should understand :thumbup: .I consider nature as my god and Earth as my temple. Now these humans have made the temple a hell bringing many artificial Gods and my God has become furious




I am on Dark Side , did sign pact long ago
As older person I prefer nice , warm and cosy hell over St Peter Sandwich
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#36 by Arvind9 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 03:18

Yes definitely there are 4,300 religions on earth 32 million gods one will give sandwich another pizza Biryani and so on unfortunately most people on earth dont know how to count 32 million,oh ok how many zeros to 32 million thats why Google was made for people to understand how to count 32 million
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#37 by josealvesjr » Thu Aug 12, 2021 06:12

I´m a believer of religious freedom, strangely enough there are many religions going around on planet earth even in the 21st century. For every individual or group, community his/ hers or theirs is the right one.
Religion contributes to a sense of community, provide support, and offer guidance. It has also been shown to have a positive impact on both physical and mental health.
A religion or belief influences mental and also physical health in both positive and negative ways. Religion can serve as a source of comfort and strength when people are under stress or promote even a healthier lifestyle. Like meat consumption or usage of alcohol.
At other times, this connection can be be less helpful or even harmful if it creates stress or acts as a barrier to treatment. Like p.e vaccine refusers out of religious principals or doctrine, due to negative religious coping, miscommunication, and harmful negative beliefs that actually be detrimental to mental and physical health but this not only restricted to the religious individual, group or community but to other not affiliated groups and communities.
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#38 by Arvind9 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 06:48

Religion is a political tool its very effective politicians distort religious beliefs for their advantage many people are not aware but Religion has got diluted people believe any crap so politicians can break religious understanding in their way I dont even know my neighbors everyone is in their own world society is so alof in citys that even if I die no one in my neighborhood would know the servant working athome is the source of what is happening arround,so politicians will thrive when they devide society
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#39 by josealvesjr » Thu Aug 12, 2021 08:58

Western countries (on paper) practice a seperation of church and state. But religious principles oftentimes find their way into politics. I think that religion is in the foundation of some of the political ideology and there are politicians who use that to their advantage.
For example “evangelicals” in the US. Their conservative societal views and “core values” are often at the heart of their religious beliefs. So they support certain Republican candidates for office. This goes the same for Brazil.
But many concepts of modern live aren’t reflected in religion since the main religions were founded centuries or even milleniums ago. So political concepts have to go beyond religion.
An example where they try to unify it and where religion rules everything is like in many islam states.
In my opinion religion should be stripped of any political power. Look at the Europeans they had the same problem. Too much power with the pope. But they freed themselves of it. Bloody battles were fought over it throughout the centuries.
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#40 by Arvind9 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 09:16

Historians scientists and Archeologists today know a lot that people dont know they are not allowed to reveal anything the political and religious institution is so powerful that they can prevent anything just because its in the intrest of politicians and religious institutions that truth does not come out in society thats why both have a common interest to protect their interests;governments change history to distort facts but it can only be changed in your own country world history still will have those facts governments cannot change that who is going to check what the facts are very few people know that history gets changed in their country thats why people are far away from what religion actually teaches they only follow what politicians spread which is distorted so religion and politics can never be separated they share common interests I see scientists evading questions because they are probhited from talking because they know a lot that we dont.
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