valerie wrote: Now now Darkstar2, you can't speak for all that are Hindu.
I never said anything about all Hindus believing in reincarnation, I was talking about Hinduism, the religion itself, has provisions for reincarnation, I guess Buddhists believe more in it. Some Hindus do not believe in reincarnation BUT believe in an afterlife. In Hinduism, the process is referred to as samsara, and the Christian religion does not have provisions for reincarnation, however some people may believe it still - there is a difference between a person's own faith, and religious doctrine. Not all Catholics are practising, not all Jewish practice, not all Islamic practice, the point I was making is that reincarnation itself is one aspect of Hinduism, where it is believed that the soul enters a new body and goes through several cycles where you go through a process of learning - a lot of studies around regressive hypnosis and recollection of past lives with stunning accuracy is aligned with Hinduism. I guess it makes sense if you think about it, life is a process of learning and evolving (ahahaha what a joke, but yeah it should be anyway, you get the picture) we go to school and must return many more years to learn new things until we graduate and go into the real world of working your tails off to make ends meet and pay half of it to whoever thief runs the country
I guess it would make sense that life is the same thing, it is a school of learning, nonetheless we do not know that, so therefore should live our life as though it is only one.
I think what you may want to do is go back, way back, to the initial believe of reincarnation.
You see originally, reincarnation was a suffering belief. If you were bad, you would be reincarnated
to suffer life again. That's the original belief of reincarnation. If you were good, you would not be
It's funny, this sounds like a definition of Purgatory, that "in between" state, between heaven and hell. I'm sure reincarnation back to life is a better compromise than hell, I guess a middle ground between heaven and hell, even though in parts of the world people are living in MISERY they might as well call it hell, so it does make sense, and would support the theory that if you are not pure enough you come back in Purgatory for more life cycles until you become pure enough not to come back, this would make more sense with the whole purpose of life, life is about LEARNING, you make mistakes, you learn again and again until you get it right, otherwise if you failed you would be kicked out and have no CHANCE to redeem - so it's hard to imagine a life where you have only ONE chance and go to either heaven or HELL, it makes more sense that there is a Purgatory (reincarnation in a human body on earth), and maybe HELL is for people who are not redeemable, the hard core criminal, pure evil, there are many of those on earth, OR those who used God's name in vein to murder and terrorise (yes the RADICALISED portion of the religion, where some misguided people believe they will have orgies in heaven if they kill), I guess it makes sense to have 3 levels.
So you see, it wasn't that everyone would be reincarnated, only the bad people.
Hmmm I dunno Valerie, this is highly debatable - there is a difference in my books between being "bad" and not "pure" enough to move on, I believe the majority of us are not pure enough, even though some people can claim they are, they aren't, they can't be, not all unpure people are BAD, they just have not reached that stage yet, some people may be generous, giving, nice throughout their life, but not quite make it there yet, picture it as a report card, you may be required an A+ to reach purity, but you may have a C- or even B- or B+
How many people in this life could have an A+ report card, no, not even Trump
With each life, if you continued to be bad, you would come back again and suffer through another
Aren't human beings hard wired to be bad ?
What is the definition of truly pure ? Rid of ALL material and entire focus and worship on God above all - how many people live like that on earth ? Are all materialistic people bad ? They may do good too, some do, but they may not have reached the level of purity to move on, I guess life is a simulation or game, there is a GOAL, why would we just be born, go through all the trouble and DIE and be eaten by worms? But there again, WHY the hell would a soul / energy in its native state be required to live a physical life to learn, there's a lot of big mysteries in life, maybe physical life is not that, it is an illusion ti is maybe just a simulation run in one central system - remember when you dream in a Lucid state, you perceive ALL your physical senses in a dream, as if you were in a physical body on the physical plane, YET, you are asleep and unconscious - so this is a good clue that our physical life may be just that, a dream or a simulation / illusion, maybe reality is an illusion itself.
IF I was going to believe in reincarnation, I would go with the original theory of it. There is many
reasons why I would. For starters, it makes sense as far as reincarnation goes. Who wants to
continue this life? Seriously, we all suffer in life. It would be like committing yourself to a sledge
hammer and stone for eternity. Also, the numbers could be a tad more aligned....
An ideal life would be a balance Valerie, yes there are people who suffer in life, but we all had our good moments, no ? It depends on which part of the world you were born in, sadly, parts of the world are ridden in poverty and famine, if there is a HELL, it's here on earth, yet elsewhere in the world there is misery, violence, hate, crime, but we all had good times, with family, loved ones, games, activities, holidays, enjoying outdoors, not all life is so bad that you would not want to come back - it's just that nobody wants the burden of a physical body and going through pain - fortunately for many, life had some good memories, for those who have had a miserable life, they may come back and not necessarily be in the same situation, maybe it is the luck of the draw on which womb their soul will get into and where on earth, it's Russian roulette
but like I said, odds are you will land either in a socialist, communist or poverty ridden country, odds may not be all that good. There is also a theory that you may go through opposites - so if in this life you had a roof over your head, food on the table and enough money to pay your bills, maybe in a next life you will be in famine, poverty and misery, maybe we are meant to go through ALL possible outcomes to reach the status of pure soul, who knows, these are all just theories. I don't necessarily think only BAD people return, but people who are not quite ready, also what is your definition of BAD ? Hopefully people who are hardcore criminals with no remorse, terrorists, serial killers, life destroyers who were pure evil and showed no remorse, have one place, and one place only, HELL where they will be rammed in their behind by the devil and his minions.
The numbers truly are a biggie when it comes to reincarnation because the numbers do not
compute. Originally, how many people were on this planet? Two? Two Hundred? Whatever the
number was it does not compute with the number of souls. You would have to take into consideration
ALL the people that ever lived from day one to date. Once you computed that amount, you
would see it would be impossible for reincarnation to be true.
Well that's a valid argument, BUT, perhaps not all souls reincarnate all at once
there are also new souls introduced for the first time, it's all a cycle I guess, births, deaths, maybe the rate of soul rebirth is like managing a traffic and bandwidth - they don't all get in at once
As far as reincarnating as animals, hmm, dunno, maybe it is the luck of the draw, do souls choose which body they get or is the process "random", I would hate to think that a human being comes back as an animal, maybe we started as insects, then animals, then humans, maybe next cycle, we will be the aliens humans are talking about
Well what I say to that is firstly, you can't believe everything everyone says. This is why one must
read, research, and educate their self to come up with their own conclusion. There is a problem
with hypnosis, it generally does not work. Many people think hypnosis is some kind of deep sub
conscious science. It's really not. For most people, hypnosis even with drugs, does not work at
all. For others, they may feel relaxed enough to dive into their thoughts, even so, one does not
really know where those thoughts come from. From a move they saw? From an experience as
a child or as an adult? From something they heard someone say? From a book they read, from
a story they were told, from a gazillion different things.
Well I don't believe in fake and charlatans, but there are genuine stories, what about the kids who went through the process and could recall STUNNING details they NEVER could have known or learned yet, they were able to recall their former parents, down to their names, where they lived, how they died, etc, and once research happened later in public archives, it was determined that the information was accurate, and there is no way the kid could have known this in a book. I think our physical body is just a receiver, it is the RADIO that receives radio waves, all our thoughts and memories may be stored in some non physical plane and "transmit" to our brain. During deep regression maybe you are "tapping" into that "outside" resource, I mean it's hard to fake, how can people fake regression hypnosis and come up with stunning details they could never have known. What about people who have lucid and vivid dreams of areas they have NEVER been to, NEVER researched, NEVER seen, NEVER read about, but later they found out these places existed. This DID happen more than once to some of my family members, they had a dream of being in a country, they have never been to, and driving and going to a restaurant......years later that family member ended up traveling in that country, the same one in his dream, he had NEVER EVER been there before, nor read about it, nor seen any footage, NOTHING, yet things seemed familiar to him there, he remembered and rove to the same area and could locate the restaurant, the same one, it looked the same and same name as the one in his dream, what are the odds of that ? What about people who have premonitions in their dreams, I've had several dreams of those before - there is a LOT science cannot explain, and A LOT of answers we do not have.
Do I believe reincarnation is possible? Yes. I believe all things are possible with God and therefore
if He wanted a soul to return, He could do it. From scriptures however, I don't think He goes that
According to common sense about life and evolution / experience, reincarnation is a process of learning, not only for the bad people
But according to biblical scripture, at least our religion, does not support the theory of reincarnation. Hopefully belief in reincarnation is not a sin