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The end of ClixSense?

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With removal of PTC, 8-level affiliate program and upgrades, will you stay on ClixSense?

Poll ended Tue Jul 11, 2017 13:10  »  Voted by 661 members  »  Single-choice
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#101 by chhotu877 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 07:57

'm disappointed, but staying)
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#102 by Darkstar2 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 09:46

MLivePro wrote:

PTC world is actually GROWING... problem is some sites are so cheap to advertise, e.g. members getting $0.0001 for clicking an ad, so advertisers take advantage, e.g. getting 10,000 visits for $2. ClixSense were way more expensive, that is why PTC died here.

Really ? I think growing is a big word - what people perceive as PTC growth is no more than so-called paid to click wrapped into ponzi schemes - The majority of the sites run on upgrades, referrals and literal ponzi elements or true ponzis. Many of the sites claim to be "RevShare", this might be a booming industry, but it is based on the same principle, a model that eventually dies out - The majority of the ads from those PTC sites are of low quality, mostly people advertising scams, HYIP, revenue sharing, and rubbish programs that don't work. It is the lure of get rich quick that has driven the market for all those years. The HYIP industry was given a big blow by the death of Liberty Reserve, and yet survived, due to PerfectMoney still going strong. But now with the growing popularity of BItcoin, it is keeping this industry strong. How many *REAL* PTC sites were there anyway ? You can count them on one hand.

I think the 8 level affiliate program hurt ClixSense's image. It has MLM / Pyramid like elements, even though it was not a scheme, using it that way is highly unusual and frowned upon. Of course not many people can say they filled their 8 levels and were earning 6 figures a year with the 8 level anyway. So I guess people who RELIED strictly on multi level might be disappointed, but it is not the majority. Which leaves tasks and surveys as a potential earner. Problem is, there are lot of cheaters who exploit them - as they want the $$$$, and this is what I predict will KILL the tasks and surveys industry in the long run, as many task authors will pay less or go elsewhere, and survey affiliates will lower the rates to cover chargebacks, or simply less surveys as a result....... Before blaming site owners, I think people should think hard of how the actions of members can influence industries.

Let's face it, some people relied strictly on PTC on this site, were people happy with pennies a day ? This is what still drives all the ponzis and "revshares" out there, which are nowhere dead.

It is a good change for clixsense and a bad one:

Good:
1) It is a massive reward site that is competitive compared to even some GPTs that are much older by many years;
2) It offers network surveys (outside the offer walls), and this is not available on that other site. So it means higher pay rate for the surveys, as those on offer walls are junk and low rate.

but there is a bad part to this change

1) Members who relied strictly on PTC and affiliate earnings - (Unless your level 1 has many active taskers) you can end up earning more than you did before with the new commission rates
2) Will drive away those without referrals, without task/offers and who relied strictly on clicking ads for pennies

But with Tasks being available for high tier countries and where the highest traffic to tasks are high tier, I think this will offset the negative aspects a little........but yet you still have a member base that will leave as a result of these changes.
The real potential for earnings is tasks and surveys, this is what I have relied on since I started here, in 2011........

My concern is the TASK industry mainly and CrowdFlower, which is going in a downward spiral. Tasks are getting worse, flagging, abusive authors, rubbish support and low rates. Once TASKS are removed from the equation it does not leave much. Rainforest was a good task earning potential but for now there are no plans to accept new members any time soon, and people have been cheating and abusive this task left and right, as they do with many other tasks as well.....

So the future at this point will be shaped by MEMBERS - honesty, hard work and dedication. Remember, companies need a REASON to provide tasks and surveys. If they get sh** quality results, they have to rethink their strategies.

Long life to clixsense and many more years to come. I think it can survive as a rewards site. Many other sites who offer far less, have survived, why wouldn't ClixSense ?

and I really don,t think that the PTC industry is booming. Never has. It was overtaken and destroyed by the ponzi industrry. Initially PTC was mainly those sticky banners that were renting your browser display space whilst you surfed, you were paid by amount of time the banner was on display and active at the same time surfing. (paid to surf) but this industry was quickly destroyed by the cheaters when they rigged it to fake activity and earn $$$$. Then the BUX industry flourished, the lure of quick easy cash with little efforts......and this industry was booming, it brought crazy traffic in so little time with growth levels that were staggering....... Of course its life cycle was short lived with some of the massive scams that hit the internet.....and now, those "RevShare", cyclers, matrix and similar sites, same sh**, different wrapping. The **REAL** PTC model has died ages ago. The current model and what's left of it is mostly advertising other schemes / scams and rubbish sites with one thing in common - the promise of huge amounts of money in little time with minimal efforts.

There are so many ways to earn money online, in a legit way. Let's face it, nobody has ever become rich or anywhere even close with PTC. In case people did not know, there are many online earning opportunities, you just have to look for them and research. CrowdFlower is not the only provider. The only thing is that many of these other opportunities require HONEST workers.......

The best advice I can give to anybody who is going to LEAVE ClixSense, don't be lured by those so-called PTC sites that promise several dollars per click, revshare, HYIP, ponzi schemes..........Trust me, this is coming from someone who has lost several thousands of $$$ back in the days. Is the PTC industry completely dead and hopeless ? Probably not. So long as there are scams to advertise and rubbish online, there will always be some sites remaining ....... The #1 selling niche is Money Making Opportunities, of course it would be #2, after Porn, but since you won't see porn on PTC sites, the next biggest earner is money making seekers......unfortunately......and all those make $10,000 a month "not selling" rubbish ads. So for those still in the PTC industry, good luck. Scams and people who buy into scams will keep it alive.
People who WORK honestly, and TASK honestly and fill in surveys honestly will help keep the GPT industry alive and well. Unfortunately, Surveys is mainly tier 1. But tasks is mostly international. I hope eventually CS will find different opportunities as well which will benefit members who do not have access to offers or many tasks.

CF has become a cesspool of bad tasks and unscrupulous task authors who flag members many times for no valid reason. So I hope one day that there will be other opportunities.

Sorry to those who relied on PTC element and nothing more, I've been in that position before. I wish you luck and hope you find a good opportunity to earn. Don't lose hope. When I stopped joining HYIPs I thought all hope was lost too.
Just requires WORK and EFFORTS and dedication. Cheers


Grid is fun, just like playing the lottery... you may win.

Biggest disappointment is the removal of upgrade and 8-level affliliate program, that is where the true earnings are available!![/quote]
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#103 by sweetpie3000 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 09:59

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#104 by sweetpie3000 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:22

@dark you need go emoneyspace forum explain why ptc isn't growing at all
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#105 by pipster1234 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:20

admin wrote: Before some of you make such dramatic statements about leaving, did you ever consider that maybe we had something planned to replace PTC? We're working to add other opportunities to ClixSense that you can complete. This is not an easy task as adding new companies to work with takes time. But, before you leave us, give us a chance to show you that we hear your concerns and will respond to them.

Thanks
Jim

Unless the program is unemployment compensation for the missing ads, how can you not expect a huge amount of people to not be happy? It sounds like only usa has been blessed with ads, so why take it away from your best market?
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#106 by MLivePro » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:22

hlrive wrote:
MLivePro wrote:
admin wrote: Also, 1 cent offers from the offerwalls are excluded from the checklist bonus.

Wow... now even $0.01 offers don't count towards the checklist bonus, reckon this will be a big issue for many members!!

If you can get website explorer to show a couple of 2 centers you have it made. I did just 2 this morning.


In UK, there is no 'website explorer' - generally the only free offers are videos!!
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#107 by MLivePro » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:29

Darkstar2 wrote: As you said above... not re-quoting all that!!


I was referring to the PTC elements of sites, not rev-share, upgrades etc...

Members click ads to earn, advertisers post ads to build website rankings... this is where the growth is!! Not the PTC, but the rankings!!
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#108 by DannyChiarelli » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:56

August 4 I will have been here a year.

Guess I will not be making my goal of 100,000 PTC clicks.

My PTC Clicks total 83,907.

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#109 by MLivePro » Mon Jul 03, 2017 14:18

DannyChiarelli wrote: August 4 I will have been here a year.

Guess I will not be making my goal of 100,000 PTC clicks.

My PTC Clicks total 83,907.

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That's a killer... shame the changes have messed that up... but I have given admin some ideas in regards to keeping PTC... you never know, you may still reach your goal.
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#110 by Delman77 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 14:42

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#111 by Darkstar2 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 15:30

MLivePro wrote:
Darkstar2 wrote: As you said above... not re-quoting all that!!


I was referring to the PTC elements of sites, not rev-share, upgrades etc...

Members click ads to earn, advertisers post ads to build website rankings... this is where the growth is!! Not the PTC, but the rankings!!

:) There are other ways to go about this - Not everyone who has a successful, highly ranked site, places ads on PTC sites. There are blogs, social media, etc. So even do that through tasks as well...

I'm sure there are valid reasons why CS took this decision. In my opinion there might be more to it though. I don't think a site owner will take such decisions if it will hurt business, when it was already established that the site now is very profitable. Of course if you remove offers and tasks from the equation that is another thing. I expected some big change like that, but did not see it coming this year :D The whole foundation of CS is genuine PTC model, perhaps now it's biggest market comes from tasks and offers.....and therefore this is what is the most profitable I guess. Companies make changes all the time, and I'm sure it was a decision that was not made on a rush. In my opinion there is more to this than just the ptc industry going down. I'm sure also that the tarnished name of PTC might have contributed a little. PTC has earned a bad reputation due to all the scamming and ponzi out there. Perhaps comes a time when some sites want out of this. How many times have some of us tried to refer members to CS only to be told that the site is a scam,ponzi, pyramid MLM scheme, etc........especially outside the PTC niche when trying to talk to people (word of mouth).

And besides, majority of ads are rubbish. The proliferation of some of the biggest scams online were done through PTC......So then people wonder why PTC earned a bad reputation.

Of course this change will be bad for some, who relied only on PTC and affiliate program.
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#112 by MissComical » Mon Jul 03, 2017 16:47

Sad to say, but I'm pretty much like most people here having to rely on the PTC portion of the site. I've been fairly successful only that, video offers, sometimes Clixgrid and bonuses. Sadder too that I paid for premium a while back to increase those bonuses only to then run into this.

Surveys are hardly anything I profit from. And really, I suffer from the same problems as others. Despite living in the US and having the possibilities of more surveys, I don't qualify for most of them. And the ones that I do, I never get to finish before they say it's no longer available. I'm not even paid for my time.

Despite not talking here, I've watched this site grow and fall from afar. It's obvious that changes this big only come when a business model is no longer working, and it's quite evident that this is most certainly the case.

Now, unless someone can speak for how to rid of those particular problems as well as speak about a alternative rather than a very vague answer of "Wait and see", I'll kindly remain skeptical on the matter.

I've made a decent amount of money on this site and haven't found many others that fit the bill, so I'd be sad to leave. But if better opportunities present themselves, then no hard feelings but I'll be going towards them.

Most of this is an eyebrow-raiser, seeing as the site is called Clixsense after all. And I don't necessarily blame people for pulling out when presented with all of this information out of the blue.

As a final word: Trust is earned, not just given. And trust can easily be lost.

Thanks ClixSense, for helping with my money problems! Best of luck to your new future.
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#113 by crblindis » Tue Jul 04, 2017 01:38

Clixsense should be renamed SurveySense, I am disappointed there is no more PTC. If you need to put the price up for ptc, then put the price up. I have some campaigns I would like to advertise again in the future, would be happy to pay extra just to get my site seen at Clixsense. If the advertising costs increase, there may be less advertisers, but there will still be SOME advertisers who wish to display their advertisement to the PTC market. In other words, put the price on to the consumer, rather than taking away your PTC service altogether.
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#114 by ajhawker » Tue Jul 04, 2017 04:53

Like others, my time here is also coming to a close. The main drawing factors for me were decently paying PTC and quick offers, combined with Premium bonuses (and low payouts through PayPal). The surveys on this site (like many other sites) seem to be centered around consumerism. If you don't have kids in your household (who you regularly spend money on), or regularly spend money on superfluous products and services, or go out on the town...you MAYBE qualify for 5% of them...which usually take an hour of combing, and then glitch out at the end (and screencapping and opening help tickets for $0.30 becomes redundant).

I'm not saying this in any sort of malicious, or even facetious, tone. Quite the contrary, ClixSense has been a godsend for me for over two years. It's helped me through some tough times, and helped keep a little food on my plate - and I am very grateful. Personally though (and this may be TMI, but with a purpose): I am single, disabled, my wife disappeared with our child after the divorce, and I don't consume prepackaged foods, beverages, or alcohol. So my marketability in these matters, is virtually none. Which is obviously why I've been content to sell my time for pennies on the hour.

So while I can understand and appreciate that this change is in the best interest of some, and the company as a whole (and I wish you all continued success) - it is not in my best interest. So as we draw to a close, I felt I should comment and wish you well. Thank you to the staff, advertisers, and members for making this all possible. Blessings and best wishes.
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#115 by hlrive » Tue Jul 04, 2017 04:58

was sort of thinking about something when I was doing website explorer earlier. With all of the X ads why don't they do it like they do on the explorer just make us watch 5 ads for 2 cents. I can't see why other ads couldn't be done that way as well. That would remove the PTC yet would give even folks oin other countries a great way to still make that cash they would lose from PTC.
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#116 by Delman77 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:21

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#117 by ha_pi_pi » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:42

crblindis wrote: Clixsense should be renamed SurveySense, I am disappointed..

I'm dissapointed I just got an e-mail invite to do Survey
Length: 4 minutes
Reward: $0.85
at the end of which I was told this was not going to be paid, but bring me better Surveys in the future :LMAO:
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#118 by Raizvan » Tue Jul 04, 2017 20:20

Darkstar2 wrote:
MLivePro wrote:
Darkstar2 wrote: As you said above... not re-quoting all that!!


I was referring to the PTC elements of sites, not rev-share, upgrades etc...

Members click ads to earn, advertisers post ads to build website rankings... this is where the growth is!! Not the PTC, but the rankings!!

:) There are other ways to go about this - Not everyone who has a successful, highly ranked site, places ads on PTC sites. There are blogs, social media, etc. So even do that through tasks as well...

I'm sure there are valid reasons why CS took this decision. In my opinion there might be more to it though. I don't think a site owner will take such decisions if it will hurt business, when it was already established that the site now is very profitable. Of course if you remove offers and tasks from the equation that is another thing. I expected some big change like that, but did not see it coming this year :D The whole foundation of CS is genuine PTC model, perhaps now it's biggest market comes from tasks and offers.....and therefore this is what is the most profitable I guess. Companies make changes all the time, and I'm sure it was a decision that was not made on a rush. In my opinion there is more to this than just the ptc industry going down. I'm sure also that the tarnished name of PTC might have contributed a little. PTC has earned a bad reputation due to all the scamming and ponzi out there. Perhaps comes a time when some sites want out of this. How many times have some of us tried to refer members to CS only to be told that the site is a scam,ponzi, pyramid MLM scheme, etc........especially outside the PTC niche when trying to talk to people (word of mouth).

And besides, majority of ads are rubbish. The proliferation of some of the biggest scams online were done through PTC......So then people wonder why PTC earned a bad reputation.

Of course this change will be bad for some, who relied only on PTC and affiliate program.

PTC is really just a title.

Clixsense could just classify itself as a reward site or advertising agency.

Paying members to click on an ad is no different than paying them to do tasks or complete a survey.
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#119 by abonen » Tue Jul 04, 2017 21:33

Hello
For me it will be a better job I tried to do it I did not do it tasks and offers then they were for me rewards only for view ads and clixgrid and survey
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#120 by MLivePro » Wed Jul 05, 2017 01:16

Latest votes have reduced those leaving to 20% of voting members now.

I still think my earnings will reduce, I hate surveys, I don't want to sign up to stuff such as betting accounts (I already have two) and definitely will never download any app or similar links.

As things stand, I literally see 'watching videos' as the only thing I'll be doing here now - and of course these no longer count towards the checklist bonus.

But let's see what Jim has planned, he has stated there is something replacing PTC ads. In my heart I hope it is 'PTC Wall', 'Clix Wall' and 'MinuteStaff' because those offerwalls are literally never ending for me and effectively we'll still have PTC ads on ClixSense.

I did suggest lower PTC ad prices to Jim too... I think ClixSense's high cost put many advertisers off. I have suggested the purchase of 'credits' at $0.0002 each, each credit can then be broken down financially as follows: $0.0001 to member clicking ad, $0.00002 to that member's referrer and ClixSense keep $0.00008. Advertisers will then be able to choose length of ads e.g. 100 credits ($0.02) for a 30-second ad - this pays $0.01 to the member clicking the ad, just like now. A 15-second ad would be 50 credits ($0.01) and the clicking member gets $0.005 just like now. A 3-second ad would be 10 credits ($0.002) and clicking members gets $0.001 just like now. Could even consider a 5 credit option ($0.001) for a 1-second ad paying clicking members $0.0005 and no timer ads (just click captcha) for 1 credit ($0.0002) with clicking members getting $0.0001.

Agreed, getting $0.0001 for clicking an ad isn't great, but members on many other PTCs are clicking such ads like mad as there are generally lots available as the low budget advertisers regularly advertise and get 10,000 ad views for just $2.

I also suggested not doing anything to please PayPal, we don't need PayPal and the reason for this is they have literally destroyed the PTC industry because of their regulations. I know the PTC industry has some scammers, but PayPal should have dealt with these individually and not chosen block the industry totally and close the accounts of honest sites like ClixSense. In my view PayPal are scammers too, think of all the fees Jim has paid to them in 10 years (or so), only for them to say 'bye' in that way - not right at all.

Anyway... let's see what the future holds... may be a bumpy ride ahead... but I have faith in Jim and ClixSense!!
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