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#1 by tasman1 » Fri May 12, 2017 22:45

Law , do we nead it , your humble opinion here
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#2 by zerohdcp » Fri May 12, 2017 22:48

Absolutely need it.
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#3 by BouldRake » Fri May 12, 2017 22:51

The holocaust was legal.

Slavery was legal.

The law must never be blindly followed, respected, or ignored, but it must always be questioned.
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#4 by hyldig » Fri May 12, 2017 22:51

To be respeced . Even it takes an army of Marcel`s to secure and enforce it to happen . :lol:
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#5 by seaeagle » Fri May 12, 2017 22:54

One of Australia's most defining values is that we "have a healthy disrespect for the law".

Though, oddly, we are also very intolerant of anyone else who disrespects the law & demand the harshest of punishments.
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#6 by tasman1 » Fri May 12, 2017 23:05

Just a small note

In the world we have many good and bad law

Now , why we must respect bad law or trash good law ?

This question is about law in general not about law in good or bad places in the world , do bad people need a law , do good people need a law ?
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#7 by hyldig » Fri May 12, 2017 23:10

Bouldrake make an interesting question come to mind . Where do the line between civiliced society and Dictature go ? It all depends on present laws . In theory both holocaust and slavery is of the same dark path and almost identical .
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#8 by tasman1 » Fri May 12, 2017 23:15

hyldig wrote: Bouldrake make an interesting question come to mind . Where do the line between civiliced society and Dictature go ? It all depends on present laws . In theory both holocaust and slavery is of the same dark path and almost identical .



No line , depends on time we live in!
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#9 by BouldRake » Fri May 12, 2017 23:31

I am a libertarian - in the classical sense, not the American sense. I believe power should be decentralised to the lowest possible unit, with minimum interference in anybody's life.

I'm not an anarchist though. I do not believe you can be completely lawless, I just think communities should make their own laws. If you're racist (as an example, I'm not suggesting anyone is), and you want all the foreigners out, if we live in small autonomous communities, that's fine - because they probably don't want to live with you either, and they can come and live with me a mile down the road instead...and I can ban you in return.

I believe there should be minimal frameworks tying communities together, but they should be closer to international agreements, like the geneva convention, and the magna carta than the lumbering behemoth of national laws - the important part here is that the communities sign up for these of their own volition, rather than having them imposed from above.

The exact nature of these laws is closer to a thousand page thesis than a forum post, and depends on how autonomous communities are formed, what size they are and so on, but a summary is "you should never be able to make a law for a community you don't personally interact with on a regular basis".
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#10 by rajukurup » Fri May 12, 2017 23:35

law is essential had it been not there the world would have turned a hell
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#11 by BouldRake » Fri May 12, 2017 23:40

Open your eyes, take a look around. The world is hell. It's often laws that make it hell.
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#12 by seaeagle » Fri May 12, 2017 23:41

My view is that, in this era where globalisation & technical progress means things change very quickly, laws should have expiry dates (say 5 or 10 years) so that they do not carry on long past their use-by dates. Effective laws that still fit with the times would obviously be continued after political debate, ineffective or outmoded laws would be rescinded or replaced.

A bonus is that the extra work required means politicians would actually be working for their pay, instead of Parliament sitting for just a quarter of the year & being on a break for the other 9 months.
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#13 by tasman1 » Fri May 12, 2017 23:58

We don't necessarily need a law, I think we are the only species that uses "laws" to govern how we act. Laws are just another way of people telling other people what to do nothing more nothing less. It isn't necessary, There are pros in cons to laws though. For example: Many people do not commit crimes because it's against the "law" and is scared of the consequences. I'll just say we are not evolved enough to live without them.
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#14 by BouldRake » Sat May 13, 2017 00:10

Laws aren't just telling people what to do. They also establish protocols.

I would argue that good laws only establish protocols. Rather than saying "If you do X you're going to prison for Y years" they should say "When there is a grievance with a particular members of this community the process for conflict resolution and possible punishments is..."
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#15 by hyldig » Sat May 13, 2017 00:17

Tasman , smell a sock :lol: Without laws it would be legal to eat the neighbors etc . Laws is very much needed indeed . The line between sane and insane would vanish without laws . Without laws the world would become a worce hell than it already is . :D
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#16 by seaeagle » Sat May 13, 2017 00:17

Harsh laws just inspire people to rebel against those laws & those who implemented them. And those who rebel against harsh laws often suffer harsh punishments.
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#17 by tasman1 » Sat May 13, 2017 00:22

hyldig wrote: Tasman , smell a sock :lol: Without laws it would be legal to eat the neighbors etc . Laws is very much needed indeed . The line between sane and insane would vanish without laws . Without laws the world would become a worce hell than it already is . :D



In short [ My translation ] We are not capable to live if We do not have a law
Law is here just to control our insanity
Gee , and we think we are now like gods or better
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#18 by seaeagle » Sat May 13, 2017 00:23

hyldig wrote: Without laws the world would become a worce hell than it already is . :D

Not necessarily. Cooperation & consensus can often achieve much better results than strict laws. Believe it or not, people are not inclined to eat their neighbours. Those that do have a desire to do something terrible will do it, whether or not there are laws against it.

If laws stopped bad things, then terrorism would not exist. We seem to have a million laws against that, with new ones implemented every week, yet it still happens.
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#19 by hyldig » Sat May 13, 2017 00:46

You seem to understand what I meant . Withut laws the worst part of the insane would rule the world . Max penalty crimes would no longer exist and everything unlimited would be legal . Laws to control the general behavior will always be needed . ;)
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#20 by tasman1 » Sat May 13, 2017 00:58

Can not find any study ......Why people obey the law

Fear ?

Used to have it ?

They have no choice ?

or what ?
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