Carlaneitor29 wrote: The 39% infections efficacy of Pfizer against Delta is concerning - herd immunity is the last solution now, at 39% protection it means a lot more cases than expected of infections , and technically more hospitalisations too, it's all relative, even if the vaccine is still effective against severe cases, there will eventually be a 20% fully vaccinated hospital admissions - that's a lot that's bloody too much !
Right I've said it from the beginning, herd immunity is unrealistic - herd immunity would only have occurred in the very best case scenario, if everybody worked together, in solidarity, yeah so much for that. Now with variants, you need at minimum 95% vaccination,it's that bad........ Yes I agree with you about the infection protection being of concern, but these studies are not conclusive yet, though interestingly, Moderna's protection against infection is over 70%, and this could be explained by the higher quantity of RNA. So yes, with low protection against infections, there will be more cases, BUT 39% protection is better than 0%, and it's still in line with the protection you get from Flu vaccine. Yes everything is relative - more cases of infections, and hospitals will rise too BUT the difference you will see in the ratio, I mean sure you will see lots of hospitalisations, LOTS, because there are still LOTS of people who are not vaccinated,
so hospital numbers will be quite high, as there will be more cases, BUT the proportion of fully vaccinated will always remain low, for now, and even if you get to 20% hospitalisation, you must also take into account, out of all those hospitalisations, how many get to the ICU, ventilator, etc, how many stay and how many leave. The vaccine efficacy may be weaker now but if you think about it has double the amount of efficacy as the Flu in terms of protection against severe forms and death. Imagine if 80-90% of people are vaccinated, that would be ideal, there will be lots of cases, still, but at least you will get far less people going to the hospital (of those being fully vaccinated).
Wait 6 months from now when a new variant takes over, eventually vaccine efficacy will be too weak, and bring down other efficacy numbers with it. You could see a near 100% efficacy against hospitalisations and severe forms against the original strain - now it's far from that, I see a scenario one day where it will be 50/50 hospitalisation !!! It would be a disaster if vaccine efficacy overall goes lower than 40%. I mean I think what is likely going to happen is that this virus will be like the Flu, seasonal shots will be required and due to weakened efficacy because of evolving variants, you will still see mortality seasonal hospitalisations like the Flu that kills a million people each year !
Another thing that makes me angry - the whole discussion of a 3rd dose of vaccine (booster shot) of the EXISTING vaccines. This is totally useless. You are just increasing your antibodies, but these antibodies still remain weak against the current variants - you are increasing quantity and not quality, what is needed is vaccine deployment against variants, and much like the flu, they would determine which variant will be predominant that season, then they need to up the amount of RNA, nobody wants this bloody take 2 doses, 3 doses nonsense. COVID19 is bad news,
with the original strain, the majority of cases were asymptomatic - what is very disturbing is that with the latest variants, you can get sick on a minimal viral load, much much easier to get infected, this will bring cases through the roof, and there is likely to be fewer asymptomatic cases.
FACT remains, without vaccine you have 0 protection - and statistically as time goes by you are very likely to get infected, it's not a question of IF but WHEN.......... With vaccine you have some protection on par with the Flu vaccine for infections and still 70% +/- against severe cases, which is still good efficacy for a vaccine.
In any case these vaccines will be useless in 6-12 months time, immunity wanes off, if people think the vaccine is one off deal they are mistaken, we will constantly need to be vaccinated - will it be yearly or bi-yearly, nobody knows yet,
one thing for sure, unlike some QUACK doctors on YouTube, I do not think this virus will just disappear on its own.
and if you consider that we need now 95% vaccination for so-called herd immunity, forget about it, it won't happen. There are also countries seeing higher ratio of hospitalisations out of fully vaccinated people, of course, they have used the less effective vaccines with weak protection. The mRNA so far have the highest efficacy against variants, the non mRNA vaccines have the worst efficacy. Not all countries have the means to use Pfizer and Moderna, they are using Astra, Sputnik or Sinovac, vaccines that were good for the original strain but very weak for variants.
So the only solution left, find a new planet in our solar system (The NASA spends trillions of $ searching for that, so they can find a new planet, name it COVID19, and send off all the non vaccinated people to go live there, kill one another there, and send along all the people who believe the virus is a hoax........ Problem solved.
Instead of spending trillions of $ on this f****** rubbish, finding aliens on other planets, they should spend that money on fighting poverty, hunger and finding cures HERE on planet earth..........once we solve the problem of hunger and poverty and cures, then they can go after the aliens with googly eyes and large antennas and make rubbish stories about what the universe looked like trillions of years ago, trillions and trillions of billions of years ago and count all the black holes there are.........