I think survey authors have gone too far lately - the amount of compulsory webcam surveys is growing like wild mushrooms. Some days I come across half a dozen surveys that go 30 f... minutes answering questions, only to be asked nearly 80% through the survey whether I have a functional webcam and DEMANDING me to continue using the web cam. I refuse to answer ANY webcam survey, respect our f...... privacy - We should not be forced to use a webcam to answer surveys, and even worse the INSULT to pay us a low rate for those surveys. These surveys should at least be worth $10, $20, or more, not 20 cents. We should legally have the right to opt out those webcam surveys without being screened out and kicked out of a survey. What's this new trend about requiring us to use webcam to answer most surveys ? I mean more than half the surveys now require it, and unfortunately people give in to the crap. If people joined together and sent a message by not participating in those, it might help, the same with bad task authors being supported and encouraged because of people working on their crappy tasks.

I have been booted out $25 worth of surveys this month because I refused to use a webcam, and that was after 20-30 minutes of asking me questions !!! Can't they ask me as a FIRST question instead of wasting my damn time ?

Just got one survey now on samp was very interesting, very relevant to me, what a bloody shame, at 50%+ was asked if I had a functional web cam, I said NO, which is not true, but I did not want to use one, and got booted out.

Most people who love those webcam surveys should know that you are being exploited - by accepting those you accept that your video, image, picture, etc, is property of the company and that they can use your photo, video, sound at their discretion without compensation - and that you disclaim all liability.

I think there should be a firm stance against webcam surveys - or at least we should be allowed to opt out and provide our opinions in WRITING instead.

Get one of those blow up dolls and next time complete the web cam survey.



I rarely get them and personally I don't mind them at all. All the ones I have
taken are very brief. However, some aren't scripted to work with Safari browser/MACOS
so I do miss out on those.

Certainly everyone should be informed from the start that the survey is or in part, a
web cam survey and the operating system required.

In my opinion, a survey of any kind should not pay less than a buck. I am very serious
about that. I don't care if it is only half minute in length, it should at least pay $1.00.

They are rare here . maybe 1 or 2 a month and they are paying every time here , not bad


To Valerie .... All surveys are paid over a dollar but how much we , end users , are paid is different story . we are like potatoes . we pay 3 dollar per kg but farmer is paid 3 cent per kg

Any webcam surveys I have seen always ask me at the beginning if I have a webcam. I don't get that many surveys anyhow. They are never $1.00 for me.

yes i got survey from whispermedia and they asked for webcam ,around 7-8 survey from whispermedia and i closed the survey.

i got mostly webcam survey from yoursurvey router and samplicious...........what the problem of your survey router in india.....if we do yoursurvey router survey from another router then they pay us instantly but if we diretly clicked yoursurvey router survey then we have to wait for 60days.....and even they not rply any support ticket

I know 60 days is a long time to wait and very ridiculous in my opinion.
Why they do that to Indian users, I can only guess.

Still, as long as they are paying you what is promised, that's the main
factor.

valerie wrote: Get one of those blow up dolls and next time complete the web cam survey.

So naughty ! It's not these kind of surveys Valerie Probably would be easier to use sock puppets anyway, but yeah, anything else than your real self would likely cause a reversal or reporting and ban from surveys,
so I just skip those. I don't want to end my survey career over a webcam survey and use of sock puppets or blowup dolls

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I rarely get them and personally I don't mind them at all. All the ones I have

Well I'm a magnet to a lot of thing, bug magnet, shit magnet, bad people magnet, webcam surveys magnet, etc.

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Certainly everyone should be informed from the start that the survey is or in part, a
web cam survey and the operating system required.

Lucky most DO warn you very early, though I came across a few that warned you after asking you nearly half the survey
I came across ONE RARE survey that respects my privacy and made it optional, it asks me if I wanted to use webcam OR write my answers, now THAT Is ethics. But surveys that shove things down my throat no thanks, they don't need a webcam to get my opinions, any valid data is useful for a research, unless the survey is specific around analysing your facial reactions, or maybe some market researcher using your face for a lab experiment or selling your video to 3rd parties and making money, I dunno, I'd make a good sock puppet though, or just any muppet. If I had the guarantee I would not get banned for doing so, I would - and I would change my voice too

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In my opinion, a survey of any kind should not pay less than a buck.

I'm very happy that you think this way, and that you are not a promoter of penny banging contrary to what one of your colleagues of a distant past claimed When I started doing surveys, few centuries ago, the minimum was $5, even if the survey had 3 questions, that was minimum, those were days you only got paid by check and had to wait 4 to 6 weeks to receive it - NOW we are spoiled big time in getting paid within 24h, and on some sites instantly. On direct panels it was 4 to 6 weeks (sometimes 6 to 8 weeks to get paid). On GPT, it was usually 30 days, and by check.

I think the more sample a survey requires, the less the pay rate. For example a survey requiring 500 respondents will likely pay far less than a survey that requires only 50 or 100. But I guess it all depends on the researcher and their budget. Some are quite generous - I've had coffee surveys with less than 10 questions pay $2.40. That same survey is likely on offerwalls for 5 cents ! or on pollfish for 8 cents or on TheoremGarbage for single digit cents.

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I am very serious
about that. I don't care if it is only half minute in length, it should at least pay $1.00.

WELL I'm willing to compromise, if a survey is half a minute, it's fine if it is less than a dollar, but not ridiculously low single digit cents. I'd say maybe 50 cents as a strict minimum, and minimum $1 for a survey >4 minutes in length INCLUDING screener

You would think that survey pay rates are based on length and complexity, but no, from my observations completing thousands of surveys, I've noticed there is no logic in the rates - some surveys are a wall of text of things to read and questions crammed into the same page, and pay 25 cents, whilst other surveys are very short, very easy and pay >$1, it's almost as if they have a random number generator in the script I heard a theory about LUCID marketplace, where publishers place bids, they start low and gauge survey response / abandonment, etc, and if the response is slow or non existent, they raise the value, it's a market and exploitation - This is a THEORY of mine though, not a FACT, but I suspect it to be because sometimes I purpose abandon a survey for whatever reason, and the SAME survey keeps coming back to me, exact 100% identical, but at a higher rate progressively NOW this does NOT apply to all surveys though, it depends on the publisher. I've personally witnessed other surveys that started at 24 cents, and only hours later, the same exact survey for >$1 either on the SAME router or another router.

I think task authors work the same way, some will start low with a crummy rate, and scale up if there is low engagement. Some will start high and go lower until they notice less engagement. It's a market place.
The more people engage with low paid CRAP, the more likely there will be more of that and less of higher paid opportunity.

Well then, wear a wig and goggles. If you can't wear the goggles, there is always makeup.
Draw lines on your face.

I hope you understand that I owned many programs and a major company in years past.
One of my programs was the largest downline club online with ..... I think it was 70,000
members.

He came along in latter years of my online work and was simply one member of several
downline clubs I owned. I published ebooks, had various marketing and traffic sites and
taught members of my programs how to earn online...not just how to sign up.

I'm truly not honking my horn and I rarely mention anything I have created/owned in
past years. I helped a lot of people and many went on to make outstanding incomes
online. There were many people that contacted me on a day to day basis and some
wanted one on one training in which they would pay me whatever I ask. I turned those
down because I did not have time for only one person.

He was one of many that sent me emails on a regular basis, wanting me to join this
or that. I helped him more than one time make some money online just as I did some
others too.

He was never a colleague of mine. I don't know him. All I know is he was a member
of one or more of my downline clubs that contacted me on consistent basis by email
wanting me to join GDI under his ref link and wanting me to go in with him on some
sort of coupon plans he had. I did neither and he was like a child constantly asking
over and over. He would call me names and cuss me in emails as if I was suppose to
do those things. I was already a member of GDI and had been a member for
approximately 15 years.

He is actually a perfect example why it can be very difficult to help people online that
you don't know. Some people will hound you, think you owe them something, become
to the point of unbearable.

As you got a tiny taste of how he was here.

pardeeep143 wrote: i got mostly webcam survey from yoursurvey router and samplicious...........what the problem of your survey router in india.....if we do yoursurvey router survey from another router then they pay us instantly but if we diretly clicked yoursurvey router survey then we have to wait for 60days.....and even they not rply any support ticket

Exactly
I faced this issue
Your survey from another router=WORKS
Your survey from survey section=NEVER WORKS

Similarly I've issues with Opinion survey router too
Opinion survey from Offer section=WORKS
Opinion survey from Survey section=NEVER WORKS

Very rarely I get Your survey from Easy Survey Routers inside Wannad section, Upon completion they credit instantly

valerie wrote: Well then, wear a wig and goggles. If you can't wear the goggles, there is always makeup.
Draw lines on your face.

lol - I think I will just pass on those surveys, I should have the choice to decide if I want to use one, not enforced on me. What's next ? They will require to draw blood too when answering surveys ? A specimen of your DNA ?
Webcam surveys for 25 cents is an INSULT. If they want MORE they should pay MORE. In real life if you are invited to an in-person survey or focus group you are paid a minimum of $50 sometimes more, for the hour or so. In the old days I did some of these, online one on one chats and interactive activities, was never under $50 for that session.
Nobody should be subject to webcam surveys for such atrociously low pay. You don't know what they do with your video, or the potential for them to be hacked and your video sold in the darkweb and used against your will

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I hope you understand that I owned many programs and a major company in years past.
One of my programs was the largest downline club online with ..... I think it was 70,000
members.

Right, I don't know all the details but yes you mentioned it on CS a couple of times - That's how some people know your real name So you were an affiliate marketer ? I seem to recall you ran a GPT as well, or was it a mix ? I've been following the affiliate marketing industry for a very long time, though selling is not my cup of tea, I have zero experience in recruiting, so my involvement was as an observer. I've tried like millions of other people participating in one of those MLMs and like millions of people, it was all hype and failed. One thing I observed is that the top affiliate marketers had one thing in common - the way they advertised - they added a lot of fluff, hype and often misled their "prey" - much the same way the people behind infomercials make a ton of money by sugar coating a turd and basically lying out front. It's easier to lure a prospect by propaganda, full blown deceit and false hope, than say, recruiting through honesty and full disclosure. That's why I'm not an affiliate marketer, I'm not into that kind of stuff, and I will never push for a product I believe in and that works, is not some cheap scam or gimmick that does not work. Most of the time the garbage affiliate marketers push can be purchased direct at a fraction of a cost, or even FREE. One example of that ? Affiliate marketers taking free eBooks and FREE open source software and selling it online for hundreds of $ or more, whilst it is not illegal, to an uninformed consumer, they could be spending a lot of money on something they can basically get for free or at a fraction of the cost. I'm sure you know about ClickBank, this is one example, pure GARBAGE, but a gold mine for affiliate marketers selling their crap there. There are many other platforms as well. I've been a victim multiple times buying shit on ClickBank, in 100% of the cases, the products were NOT as described by the seller and did NOT deliver what was promised. Luckily CB had a 60 days money back policy. From that point on is when I started researching this industry and following the ads, type of products sold on these platform, and from my research I saw that basically you could get a lot of the stuff FREE if you knew where to look......a lot of those eBooks contained stuff you can get free online if you know how to search. A lot of the software you could get free from the source and a lot of those work from home money making programs were just a pile of useless dung. So affiliate marketing is not for everybody - you may have helped people become successful in that area, but these people had it in them, they just needed guidance, and some people are just natural bullshitters who can sell a freezer to an Eskimo I worked with a guy like that, he was so gullible and believed in anything, he was a good sales person and could sell to even the most stubborn and difficult customer, he could sell ANYTHING, he was making in over $2k a week effortlessly, only for PART TIME work, maybe 3-4 hours a day, 3 days a week. Some people have it in them. The weight loss industry is one big scam and worth trillions of $, probably the best niche for affiliate marketers second to porn Not my cup of tea.......So many times have people tried to get me to join these networks.

Maybe in your time things were different, though I doubt it, but essentially the way you market a product + your ad copy can make or break you, it can make a difference between nada and millions.........I've known some affiliate marketers too, around me, lots, and many have even admitted that they don't even use the "CRAP" that they sell........that says a lot

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He came along in latter years of my online work and was simply one member of several
downline clubs I owned. I published ebooks, had various marketing and traffic sites and
taught members of my programs how to earn online...not just how to sign up.

I can see why he would be very successful at that

Nothing wrong with publishing eBooks, it can be legit too, but there is so much JUNK out there and crap products being sold on many platforms. Want eBooks, there are plenty on ClickBank and others, most is FLUFF, the promise of success and riches, and stuff that does not work basically, people buy these things all the time, follow the instructions to the letter and nothing - OR so many people gain interest in a scheme that it becomes saturated to a point where it stops working. Some eBook are useful though with valuable information - EVEN if it is stuff you can learn for free if you do the research, it's perfectly legit to add a price tag to do all the research for you, that's business, BUT some eBooks are downright CONS, full of lies and deceit. I've purchased quite the lot of eBooks and products in that time, my gullible years A lot of those eBook are just instructions on how people should do the same thing, and starting your business incurs cost, money not everybody has Some of these MLMs require a monthly fee and purchasing of their crap even if you never use it. Some of these MLMs programs require you to spend money on hosting, fees, etc, so you can be sure 100% that in all programs, no matter if you succeed or fail, someone above you will always profit............that's where the monthly fees comes in, if you fail miserably, someone is making profits from you and someone will do their best to keep you in their downline so they can cash in on the money.

I hope you were not one of those selling get rich quick scheme, money making, weight loss or other hype products through affiliate marketing, maybe not, because if you did, you would be rich and probably not here

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I helped a lot of people and many went on to make outstanding incomes
online.

Of course - meanwhile, poverty is on the rise, world hunger on the rise, jobless on the rise. If these how to be successful seminars and books worked, society would change for the better, and you would not have so many people scouring dumps to look for food.

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He was one of many that sent me emails on a regular basis, wanting me to join this
or that. I helped him more than one time make some money online just as I did some
others too.

He tried to make me join too, I turned it down. I researched his program, it's total hype. I have to pay money monthly whether I do well or not, and like I said, recruiting and selling are not my cup of tea. Of course people are going to make a living on that and successful.......You have TV infomercials, mail order, catalog, online, weight loss, HOW TO, porn, etc, so many good converting niches, but the key is for a person to believe in the crap they push.

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He is actually a perfect example why it can be very difficult to help people online that
you don't know. Some people will hound you, think you owe them something, become
to the point of unbearable.

As you got a tiny taste of how he was here.

Believe me I know - I've been there, though not in affiliate marketing but in another field, where I would help people, and people would ask for my help and I would gladly spend my free time helping people - only in the end to be betrayed by all of them once they did not need my help anymore or got all they want........So I am not surprised that in that industry people will think you owe them and be there at their disposal 24/7, and wanting more and more from you. That's life.

I could probably succeed in an empire where I sell products and information how not to get scammed online, but that probably is not a good converting niche, people are after false hope like weight loss, get rich quick schemes, free money, and magic

I've seen people use deceptive tactics to get referrals here and on CS, outright lying and making false claims, using fake screenshots, fake earnings and making promises. These are the very same type of people who have what it takes to make good money online building downlines. I've been a victim of such deceit, my very first sponsor, he was building CS downlines through lies and deceit, I caught him in the act and called him out, we had a very heated exchange and I showed proof to Jim and requested to be removed from his downline, he was a complete FRAUD. Since then luckily I found a new sponsor, who made me a good offer and did not hype, since then all those years been his referral, and earning a monthly residual RCB from him, never let me down.

A good example of the above, look at all the ads on PTC sites, it's a cesspool of scams and deceit, and some PTC owners have outsourced their self sponsored ads from Clickbank mostly.

Most of the world's riches have ended up where they are through lies, deceit and corruption, because the honest way is the slowest and most difficult way.......some people are BORN with the scam gene and could have built their bullshit empire whilst still in the baby carriage now I'm sure a lot of affiliate marketers will hate me, I don't care, the % of HYPE far outweighs the so called HONEST ones........and the ones earning the so-called $25,000 a month are not exactly the honest ones or they are so rare.

There is no magical formula to success, but to make money someone, somewhere must sell something, and usually the high tier items (most expensive ones) require more convincing and polishing to sell, some marketers can start with a piece of turd and polish it in a way that it looks like a precious diamond. You know the saying you can roll turd in glitter but you can't polish it ? WELL some people can polish the turd inside and out but in the end, it's still turd

For me it is very simple, it comes down to principles, I do not work on surveys what require any facial identification. Regardless the reward. We already lost/lose so much of our privacy in our daily life.
I do not see that for the so called purpose of market research my facial contours and expressions can be or are relevant for the product(s) in question.
These type of facial expressions/symbols we do already meet in (many) surveys when we are asked how you feel at the moment about that topic. For me that is more than enough. I do not trust these webcam surveys and in my opinion they serve a greater (bad) purpose.

I guess that since there are so many people (especially at the moment) who are scrambling to get by, that they have flushed their principles down the toilet and will do everything for a little money. That leaves that surveys can demand whatever they seem fit. Well, I´m in need of money but no webcam surveys for me.

@Darkstar2

I'll start by saying there is nothing wrong with being an affiliate marketer or network marketer.

In fact, most people do some forms of marketing in their life without pay. It's called 'word of mouth'.

If I buy a new vitamin water and I love everything about it, I am sure to tell my friends and family
about it. If they love it too, they will continue to purchase and tell others and so on. What does
all this 'referring' get me and them? Nothing. In the mean time, the company is making a fortune.

Now let me ask you, is there anything wrong with promoting ySense to others in order to receive
the compensation as stated?

My point is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with LEGITIMATE marketing and that is whether it
be affiliate marketing, network marketing, or MLM marketing.

Unfortunately, all the marketing sector has a dirty taste in many mouths due to unscrupulous people
wanting to make a buck at any cost to others. The internet helped to bring about scams and scamsters
from all over the world.

In the early days of the internet, most people practicing in the online marketing arena, were not
business people, no college degrees, had little to no idea how to do what they were doing. MLM
and HYIP were abundant and the 99% rule eventually was set (99% of all MLM online is scams).
Eventually another rule came along that was also very true (marketers can only recruit 2.5 people
at the most).

Over the years, I was a member of an enormous amount of opportunities and ad programs. Some
were good, most were bad.

In the old days PayPal was naive too. Of course, that was the original founder. No one was well
versed on internet scams and internet biz ops, not even PayPal. For example there was a program
that I labeled 'fast cycler'. That name caught on across the internet for various 'fast cycler' programs.
The way that worked is a push through by way of one or more new members enrolling, resulting in
the member above to cycle and earn. One in particular that was very fun to say the least, had little
red and green balls. As you cycled, the red ball turned green and money went into your PayPal
account. The money was either $100 or $250 every time. I wouldn't go so far to say you could get
rich in it but if you were an early member (and I was) you'd be cycling multiple times thru-out the
day and make a pretty hefty profit before the program moved to a slow crawl and finally crashed.

So that is one type of a program that was very popular as I labeled them 'Fast Cycler'. There were
other types but they fell into 'fast cycler' programs. Most I should have labeled 'Slow Cyclers'
because many went no where.

One of the Patel brothers had a fast cycler with three other guys. I think the cycling slowed after
a few weeks and eventually the program crashed within perhaps a month or less.

In fact, one of the Patel brothers was living in Canada at the time I knew him. He was taking
night classes in programming. He was my programmer for my company pre-launch in which
he screwed it up. I then had to move to a more qualified system. His brother lived in
India at that time.

Patel had a chocolate MLM at one point. At this stage I think his brother had opened a
chocolate store in Canada. The problem with that is they could only ship chocolate in the
winter months. They did not go with a means to cold pack.

I want to add there were many very honest legit people that created or owned programs that
today would in fact be considered scams or illegal. An example you yourself is aware of is PTC.
Many of these scripted programs were legit. They were owned by people that truly paid out
what they stated they would pay. The problem was, they could not get enough advertisers
in order to keep their program going and/or they could not charge enough to the advertiser
in order to make profits. So many of these shut down not because they were running away with
the money. They shut down because they were losing money or simply could not afford to keep
it running.

GDI is a legit MLM. I was a member for about 15 years. The main problem with it is the
awful domain. Who wants a dot ws domain? It was a rotten domain then and a rotten
domain now. However, it is legit and for people that want cheap hosting, Wordpress blog,
and starting out, it works for them, for awhile. Retrition rate is rather poor.

Well, I could write a book about all that and I have owned and operated many programs
online and so many that I don't even remember them all. With my downline clubs my main
focus was free. Everyone could join free and if they wanted finders fees, I had a one
option payment. So if you became a paid member by paying ONE time, you were in for the
life of the program and if you referred others that upgraded, you received a one time finders
fee. I do not remember what my fees were. Maybe $10 or $25. Maybe less but never more
than that in my downline clubs.

I've owned downline clubs, traffic exchanges, safe lists, GPT, PTC, Cyclers, LLC, First ever
coffee distributorship llc mlm online, and been a member of thousands of programs over
the years.

He said, why are you moderating at the forums? He couldn't understand why I was.

Well ClixSense was MLM and it was Free with an optional one off yearly. I listed it in my
major downline club. I even placed refs under others in my downline and not directly
through me. I then became a moderator to add credibility to the programs....mine and
theirs. This helped my club grow and it helped ClixSense grow before and after there
was a forum.

So now I focus primarily on product review and making a few bucks along the way. I
am in fact 'retired'. I'm not interested in all that previous stuff because I long since
have received my small fortune online from all the hard work I put into it over many
years. I focus on enjoyment and what I like doing. That's it.

Well done Valerie, be prepared I guess there will be a rather lenghty response coming up.

PS. I have always used my own name in all my programs, all my websites, and even have
used my first name when available during sign up to a program. Most every program and
every company I have owned, my full name and my face was on them. I did not hide behind
servers.

josealvesjr wrote: Well done Valerie, be prepared I guess there will be a rather lenghty response coming up.

Depends on how busy he is with surveys/tasks.

valerie wrote:

josealvesjr wrote: Well done Valerie, be prepared I guess there will be a rather lenghty response coming up.

Depends on how busy he is with surveys/tasks.

It is weekend little to do. Pour yourself a drink.

P.s. there will be a lot for Tasman to read when he wakes up in Tasmania. He loves long articles.

Lots of surveys in my survey list today.

Very rainy day so I am hanging inside and did complete 3 surveys.

Surveys have a tendency to make me sleepy.....some more so than others.....especially long boring surveys about drugs.

I try to stay awake to complete those longgggg boringgggg automotive surveys......

Oh, sorry, I nodded off there for a moment.......snorrrreeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz

josealvesjr wrote: For me it is very simple, it comes down to principles, I do not work on surveys what require any facial identification. Regardless the reward.

Exactly, they don't need you facial expression when answering a survey about which packaging for carrot sticks do you like best Unless it is a survey about facial expressions then obviously yeah NOW, when you say regardless of the reward, what if it was a $1000 survey, think about it, $1000 + 16% bonus, that's $1160 earnings in one day

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We already lost/lose so much of our privacy in our daily life.

Exactly. Also I noticed in some surveys before the survey they will ask you for your home address and phone number with all kinds of dumb excuses. Like I said, some of these surveys are likely just lead data collectors disguised as surveys, so whether you qualify or not, someone, somewhere is making boat loads of money from your valuable data, or feeding your image and video into some AI algorithm,$1ff and before you know it, they might even clone you
The only thing left to ask for is strain of hair for DNA sample and blood work.

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I guess that since there are so many people (especially at the moment) who are scrambling to get by, that they have flushed their principles down the toilet and will do everything for a little money. That leaves that surveys can demand whatever they seem fit. Well, I´m in need of money but no webcam surveys for me.

Everybody has a price - Mine is $1 million and I can even bargain down to $750k Because with that kind of money I may not need to do another survey again for a long time

Ohh my God , once upon a time there was only darkstar who posted few miles long post now I see here few mile long post from Valerie

If they both continue to post that loooooooooooooooooooooong post I will spend all my time reading posts here and no time to do any survey

My crystal ball say my earning in August will be 0.00 here