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#1 by Idjosko » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:34



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#2 by josealvesjr » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:09

Got the same e mail did not open anything. The e mail promises the moon so far my reality is different.
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#3 by valerie » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:32

Hmmmm kind of odd.

Do you have the headers to that email?
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#4 by Darkstar2 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:35

OK great, let's dissect this now.

Quote:
You remember Clixsense.com, right?

It's hard for us lot to forget, some of us particularly remember it on a daily basis :mrgreen:

Quote:
Anywhere from $2, right up to $11,244 per month

See that Valerie ? And you think I am a top earner with my $15k :lol: I'm certainly no match for those
earning $11,244 a month though.....

Quote:
Thousands of you folks made some serious money!

Right, that part is correct, well sorta, though 'serious' money is debatable, even for the top promoters on CS, I do not think anybody was earning 5 figures monthly, though what I can believe though is those who were promoting and had lots of active referrals during the glory years of tasks, where you could easily earn a high 2 digits daily, so it's believable that some people earned thousands a month at the time. Without active referrals I was earning $300-$500 during that period, even though it was kinda short lived. But yeah those who were earning the alleged serous money were in the glory years of CS, but once many of those good task authors left the platform, things changed, though not as bad as what we have here now.

And now the deceptive part starts.....kinda!

Quote:
Clixsense has now rebranded and we've given you even more ways to earn money and cash out your earnings too.

There's a bit of rubbish there. For one, Prodege has gone to lengths to keep the acquisition under wraps, and yet it was public about all its other site acquisitions. This is more than a rebrand, because some might interpret it as it being just the same company with a new name, for example CrowdFlower became FigureEight (rebrand) but is was essentially the SAME company and staff...... Federated Sample became LUCID, but it is the same company. ClixSense to ySense is more than just a rebrand, it is a brand NEW company.

As far as the more ways to earn - this is simply NOT TRUE. ClixSense had more offer walls, better offers, more stand alone survey routers, more surveys.....We do not have MORE ways to earn here. One thing that is true though, more ways to cash out, mainly, PayPal and Gift Cards, BUT what is not good here is that we are restricted to gift code denominations for cash methods which is very inconvenient. For PayPal, there is only a $10 option. So yes ySense retained many of the features of CS in regards to the bonus, task bonus and competition, etc, but MORE ways to earn, this is just not true, in fact they have only but REMOVED ways to earn, the latest one being removing the good surveys from the AdGem offer wall. ClixSense had Kip Rewards, Tap Research, Video loyalty, etc. How the bloody hell can this site honestly claim they are offering more ways to earn when it is the exact opposite - this is simply deception and misleading members at best.

Quote:
We've got 1000s of the best paying most trusted surveys....

Let's see now, ClixSense had pollfish, over here we don't, but we have it in Revenue Universe, which pays a fixed 8 cents !!!! On other sites PollFish pays variable 20-44 cents sometimes more ! as it did on CS.
Theorem Reach, a lot of the surveys are a fraction of the pay - many are single digit cents !!!!! And when surveys were displayed in offers they were the very low paid kind. Let's talk about survey routers now, yes initially when the site started there were more higher paid surveys than we have today, but things changed, now it's mostly low paid <$1, with the rare, occasional high value.

For people who did not do well in surveys they had better offers on CS, some people did video offers that BTW, we cannot find here at all, so maybe I missed something, but this e-mail is misleading at best on many levels. Yes it is possible to earn money here for some, but saying that we have MORE earning opportunity is FALSE, saying that we have access to thousands of the best paid surveys is debatable, because most are very low pay compared to previous site.

On CS when received missing credits through support, they were applied to our checklist bonus AND to our upline, fair is fair........ On this site, manually issued credits go straight to your balance, are NOT counted to the daily bonus, and are NOT calculated as part of our upline's commission.

This site deserves credit only where it is due....... It offers gift cards for people who like to shop, it has PayPal, it uses automated payment and pays FAST, but that's about it as far as the "MORE" part.

If this site really wants us to earn serious money or more money here, they sure are doing a terrible job at it, because all I keep seeing here is removal and reduction, earning is still possible, but requires several times more work for less, and MANY questions and concerns here go unanswered, until eventually SOME of them are addressed in passing, after so long......

One thing that is noticeable here is the click to complete ratio, it is 2x-3x better than CS, now you might think, well then it means you earn more here right ? Nope. Whilst conversion is higher, which in theory means better targeted surveys, unfortunately it does not translate to higher earnings, simply because this higher conversion is offset by other factors such as less opportunity, lower rates, lower inventory, and the problem has become worse since November.

And to those who earned $11k a month on CS, good job that is brilliant, do tell us, if you are earning this here.
Cheers :D

I've had chats outside this forum with some of the top promoters of CS and whilst a few were earning WELL, none of them earned even close to $11k, so I can see the CLEVER "up to" part of the text..... Correct so in theory we can all here earn UP TO $60k a month even, key word being UP TO :lol:
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#5 by valerie » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:39

That would be with affiliates, Darkstar2 and I did point out in my previous post that
I was not referring to those with refs. I was stating you made good money here without refs.
There are or at least was, plenty of members that made more money here than you. Those
were primarily members with very active refs.
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#6 by Darkstar2 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:55

valerie wrote: That would be with affiliates, Darkstar2 and I did point out in my previous post that
I was not referring to those with refs. I was stating you made good money here without refs.
There are or at least was, plenty of members that made more money here than you. Those
were primarily members with very active refs.

If you look at my stats from CS and compare them to what I earn here, it is less. Exception being in October where I earned over $320, and last time I could earn that was on CS in the 2014-2016 glory years, otherwise none of my earnings month to month here has ever exceeded CS, except of course when it was slowly dying during the last few months, and it was due to the acquisition work underway.

What I earn and what you consider good or not is not the point - the point is the removal of stuff around here and a much reduced amount of survey invites, you even acknowledged it yourself, and even more through you posting Mark's reply to you. When the site started, it started slow, barely any surveys, they said they would increase inventory, they did, allowing the first 3 months to be OK, though nowhere near the levels of CS, but still far better than expected, why haven't they maintained this ? So it is causing issues with their other sites, does this mean some of us have to pay the price ? When something is good and working good why change it ? Why can't they have a proper balance here for EVERYONE, as it did happen on CS - none of this some countries have this some don't crap. If a site makes big bold claims that they are offering MORE and BETTER, they have to back up those claims with reality, which is NOT the case here, at least not yet, but we are 6 months down the line, do you really have much optimism left that things would really get that much better, when all we see are removals, including the latest removals of surveys.

as far as ACTIVE refs around here, I wonder how that works out, no video loyalty, bad offers, no more surveys in some offer walls, lower pay rate, lower survey inventory, bad tasks, reduced tasks (mind you tasks is not something ySense can do anything about).

Let's see what coming months have in store, but I am not optimistic at all, they keep removing stuff and adding offer walls with much the same crap, they don't want to add any new survey router as requested many times by members, but instead rather add offer walls with the low paid surveys there, 8 cent pollfish, etc, I mean come on, this is absurd here.

For some of us, if not for OpinionWorld and sometimes YourSurveys, there would be nothing left.

So let's see what February has in store.

This company clearly has a different business model in mind and it is sugar coating just about everything, members are smart enough to see REALITY. I guess we have to make with what we have here, but facts will always remain facts.
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#7 by Idjosko » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:55

valerie wrote: That would be with affiliates, Darkstar2 and I did point out in my previous post that
I was not referring to those with refs. I was stating you made good money here without refs.
There are or at least was, plenty of members that made more money here than you. Those
were primarily members with very active refs.

You think like my 10000+ referrals? :lol: Hey, they give random numbers of earnings there. :D
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#8 by Darkstar2 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 14:19

I too received the e-mail, lovely, 6 months later !

I checked the raw headers, I will refrain from posting it here to avoid abuse, even though the information is public.
From what I can see from the originating IP is that it comes from a web / host transit, Google. When checking Prodege's actual domain, it also points out to the same web host. So unless this site / company was hacked, it appears to be coming from the actual site, unless someone managed to spoof the IP, it shows as pass for the right domain, it looks like it's genuine, question is did someone push the wrong button or hack, who knows, hopefully the admin can assure us that our personal data was not compromised. :)

Here is info that could be useful to an admin,

The links in the e-mail point to a member with UserID: 66066865
So this could very well be the admin's user ID (default used for unrefered sign-ups).
It would be nice to get confirmation. This happens shortly after the latest phishing attempt,
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#9 by valerie » Sat Jan 25, 2020 15:41

Post the header please.
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#10 by josealvesjr » Sat Jan 25, 2020 16:22

valerie wrote: Post the header please.

Valerie I hope Darkstar 2 or Idjosko can give it. I deleted the e mail because I found it fishy.
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#11 by valerie » Sat Jan 25, 2020 16:47

It looks fishy but that is a correct email that is displayed so I need to see the headers.
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#12 by valerie » Sat Jan 25, 2020 16:49

I think Mark may be in the UK.

Americans do not spell the word 'favorite' the way it is spelled in the displayed email.
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#13 by Darkstar2 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 19:25

valerie wrote: I think Mark may be in the UK.

Americans do not spell the word 'favorite' the way it is spelled in the displayed email.

The word is spelled CORRECTLY actually Valerie :mrgreen: And yes Mark is from the UK.

So you want me to post the raw headers OK I will do so at YOUR request, but personally I do have reason to believe the e-mail is coming from the right source, question is did someone push the wrong button or get hacked ? I disclaim all liability by posting these raw headers, so it's on you now :D

Here is the raw headers, I obviously removed the part containing my e-mail.

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And again, member UserID: 66066865

Hope this helps. Hopefully you don't get into too much trouble now :P

Oh look at that, a bug, I ticked the disable smlies when posting this, but it still shows emojis!
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#14 by markupday84 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 03:10

Thanks for the diligence here folks - that email is legitimate, and has come from my ysense admin email address.
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#15 by AnnaItalia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 03:46

markupday84 wrote: Thanks for the diligence here folks - that email is legitimate, and has come from my ysense admin email address.

Mark we need surveys, not an email that advertise the site that is not working good. Many bugs, no surveys to take, no money to earn. There are 6 months that ySense exists and we don't see improvements that you've promised us on july 2019. Look here, we have still Clixsense emoji and you advertise ySense :clixsense: :cs: :thumbdown: :roll:
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