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#1 by rajukurup » Sun Mar 17, 2019 00:16

'COMFORT- ILLNESS - PROFIT ' though these words have no definite relation at first sight are interrelated in this modern age. How? Now is an age of all sorts of comforts; people are building concrete structures filled with lots of luxury in many advanced technological forms. such buildings are increasing day by day on the earths surface increasing heat and radiations and also the rate of malicious illness like cancer , heart problems , kidney problems etc.. increasing year after year. This makes new hospitals and health care centers to rise in every part of the world and has become a big business these days. Many institutions forget their ethics and is concentrated only on making profits in the name of organ transplants critical care etc. A century ago health care was a source of service to the society and now it has become a source of money making which is very pathetic for a civilised world.So reduce comforts , be always active and stay healthy so that such health mafias may be de- rooted.
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#2 by Nikorj » Sun Mar 17, 2019 02:17

New and more complicated surgery and treatments have become really really expensive.

In Denmark we have a very expensive healthcare model which are praised by many but also starting to become a burden due to increasing costs of new treatments, Already now we are talking about which treatments we have to live without in the future.

Sadly this is a fact!! and question is?, What kinds of treatmets/surgery we deem unnecessary (We can't afford it).

Only good thing is that more common medicine has become cheaper, But that's due to quantity in demand.
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#3 by valerie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 05:38

I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.
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#4 by rajukurup » Sun Mar 17, 2019 07:18

valerie wrote: I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.

oh' really stunned on seeing this amount :shock: t. What was his illness madam?
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#5 by Arvind9 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:42

rajukurup wrote:
valerie wrote: I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.

oh' really stunned on seeing this amount :shock: t. What was his illness madam?

It's TRUE my mother died of pulmonary cardiac arrest two years ago,collapse of lungs due to acute asthma caused by pollution,I paid Rs14,00000 for hospitalization .today it will cost more,in India medical cost is cheaper than many countries,people from gulf and other countries come to India for treatment because it's far cheaper and we have very good doctors.
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#6 by rajukurup » Sun Mar 17, 2019 17:54

yes india has many renowned hospitals and dedicated doctors and also hospitalization is cheaper compared to other countries. But many private hospitals exploit people in the form of unnecessary tests and diagnosis. There is huge brain drain in medical field in India which is a great concern.The greatest concern is that we spend so much of money to save our beloved ones but all in vain :( :(
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#7 by valerie » Sun Mar 17, 2019 20:38

rajukurup wrote:
valerie wrote: I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.

oh' really stunned on seeing this amount :shock: t. What was his illness madam?

He had open heart surgery. Lived 12 days in the hospital after surgery. I wish he had not
had the surgery. I wish he had gone some where else.

All his hospital, doctors, surgeons, tests, surgery, etc....totaled almost 1 million dollars.

It's so hard for people to deal with the death of a loved one but then to get bills for days
after, it's bad thing. Really bad.
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#8 by Nikorj » Mon Mar 18, 2019 02:00

valerie wrote:
rajukurup wrote:
valerie wrote: I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.

oh' really stunned on seeing this amount :shock: t. What was his illness madam?

He had open heart surgery. Lived 12 days in the hospital after surgery. I wish he had not
had the surgery. I wish he had gone some where else.

All his hospital, doctors, surgeons, tests, surgery, etc....totaled almost 1 million dollars.

It's so hard for people to deal with the death of a loved one but then to get bills for days
after, it's bad thing. Really bad.

Sorry about what happened with your husband, And what you wrote about worrying when things like this happens pretty much sums up the feeling i have when visiting the US (People often seems to be in a constant worrying state, Can i afford this, Can i afford that?).

In Denmark wer'e discussing if life-prolonging medicine is really worth the cost?, And again as always it's about money.

Time to vote for Bernie (Right Val?) ;)
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#9 by valerie » Mon Mar 18, 2019 06:12

@Nikorj NO Bernie! :lol:
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#10 by shadecat » Mon Mar 18, 2019 06:21

In my state a woman is not responsible for her husbands bills. Or at least it was that way when my cousins husband passed away with heart trouble. As far as I know it is currently that way. Hospitals won't tell you that because they are all about money. It is a general rule that you are not responsible for paying off your spouses medical debt. If you have credit card debt with both of your names on the account you would have to pay that. The cost of medical care has gotten outrageously expensive!

Is a widow liable for husband's debts?
Spouses are only responsible for each other's community property debts, which are bills incurred during the course of the marriage. Spouses are not responsible for each other's separate debts, however. ... You do not have to pay your deceased spouse's debts after he or she dies.


Keep separate accounts!
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#11 by rajukurup » Mon Mar 18, 2019 06:48

valerie wrote:
rajukurup wrote:
valerie wrote: I don't know what people are going to do.

My husband passed away a year ago this month.
His surgery/hospital was almost one million dollars.

oh' really stunned on seeing this amount :shock: t. What was his illness madam?

He had open heart surgery. Lived 12 days in the hospital after surgery. I wish he had not
had the surgery. I wish he had gone some where else.

All his hospital, doctors, surgeons, tests, surgery, etc....totaled almost 1 million dollars.

It's so hard for people to deal with the death of a loved one but then to get bills for days
after, it's bad thing. Really bad.

Sister, I feel very sad at the fate of your husband . Having spend a huge amount( A major portion of savings) for his treatment he did not even live for a month after the operation is a huge blow to the beloved ones. Hope you might have taken months to recover from this wreck, Let this not happen to anyone who is known to me that is my prayer to God.
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#12 by rajukurup » Mon Mar 18, 2019 06:55

shadecat wrote: In my state a woman is not responsible for her husbands bills. Or at least it was that way when my cousins husband passed away with heart trouble. As far as I know it is currently that way. Hospitals won't tell you that because they are all about money. It is a general rule that you are not responsible for paying off your spouses medical debt. If you have credit card debt with both of your names on the account you would have to pay that. The cost of medical care has gotten outrageously expensive!

Is a widow liable for husband's debts?
Spouses are only responsible for each other's community property debts, which are bills incurred during the course of the marriage. Spouses are not responsible for each other's separate debts, however. ... You do not have to pay your deceased spouse's debts after he or she dies.


Keep separate accounts!

spouse means half heart according to indian system .so as far as Indians are considered spouse has equal responsibility to his/her partner.
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#13 by valerie » Mon Mar 18, 2019 15:46

He never came home. He was in the critical unit after the surgery, for 12 days, and then passed away.
I guess his heart just wouldn't do it's job. He looked like he had gain 100 pounds after surgery. Fluid
was build up and he wasn't having much output, no matter how much lasix he was given. His blood
pressure was low and on that final morning, everyone worked for hours to bring it up but after about
7 hours of trying to keep the blood pressure up, it bottomed out and that was that. I am rather sure
if he had lived, he wouldn't have had use of his hands or feet. Sepsis that set in was so bad, his hands
and feet were black (white man).

His heart surgeon was Indian, by the way.

No, I won't ever recover from it. I don't think anyone does. Life goes on and well you have no
choice to try and drown out the pain. I can't even put his pictures out. On my office desk I have
a table scarf. Under the table scarf I have a photo of him. Every so often, I pull it out and every
time I cry. I am waiting for the day to come, when I pull out the photo and smile instead of cry.
Then I will be able to put his pictures out about the house.
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#14 by rajukurup » Tue Mar 19, 2019 02:29

Now forget your woes and feel happy that he did not live just to suffer from the after effects of that operation. Life is like that .everything in the hands of a divine power man is nothing in front of it
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#15 by wilsworks » Tue Mar 19, 2019 05:17

LOL You must live in a republican state. am in a state where they *will* take your money because they feel the need to dole it out to undeserving fools.
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#16 by valerie » Tue Mar 19, 2019 06:03

shadecat wrote: In my state a woman is not responsible for her husbands bills. Or at least it was that way when my cousins husband passed away with heart trouble. As far as I know it is currently that way. Hospitals won't tell you that because they are all about money. It is a general rule that you are not responsible for paying off your spouses medical debt. If you have credit card debt with both of your names on the account you would have to pay that. The cost of medical care has gotten outrageously expensive!

Is a widow liable for husband's debts?
Spouses are only responsible for each other's community property debts, which are bills incurred during the course of the marriage. Spouses are not responsible for each other's separate debts, however. ... You do not have to pay your deceased spouse's debts after he or she dies.


Keep separate accounts!

I don't know anything about all that. The point is (and not everyone dies), people cannot
afford health care. It could be a spouse, a child, or someone else in the household that
gets sick or needs long term care or expensive prescriptions. The first thing these places
ask is 'do you have insurance?'. In the days past, the first thing they ask is 'what are your
symptoms?'.

My husband was 7 years older than me. He was retired, very good insurance, etc. Fortunately
most of his medical bills were covered. He had medical bills for some time before he went
into surgery. He was taking many medications for some time, of which was expensive too.
He would use a breathing machine four times per day and the medication that went with
that was close to $1,000 per month...his cost was only about $10 per month.

Bottomline, everyone should have medical insurance but it is incredibly expensive to many
people. It's simply not affordable to the average citizen.

I think the only solution, at least that I can see, is for ALL working adults, to pay for
ALL citizens health insurance. Look, I don't have children in school, but how often do
I pay school tax! I live inside the city now, but I pay city tax and county tax....plus
my county tax is most SCHOOL TAX. Every bill I receive is charging me for more than
the service I have. My electric even charges for simply coming out to read the meter.

If this country is going to nickel dime us on everything else, much of which is BS, why
not tax people on what we really need. If all working adults had a withholding for
health insurance, we'd all be covered. In addition, all hospitals, pharmacy companies,
physicians, should be monitored for illegal pricing. I worked in health care most my
life so I know first hand how outrageous even the simplest costs should be.

Well someone might say, I don't want money to come out of my paycheck for other
people's insurance. What I say to that is, you are already paying for other peoples
insurance. One way or another, we are all paying.
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#17 by sky2072 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:38

im sorry to hear that
im a student from China
wish u could bear better and better
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#18 by Nikorj » Wed Mar 20, 2019 02:17

valerie wrote:
shadecat wrote: In my state a woman is not responsible for her husbands bills. Or at least it was that way when my cousins husband passed away with heart trouble. As far as I know it is currently that way. Hospitals won't tell you that because they are all about money. It is a general rule that you are not responsible for paying off your spouses medical debt. If you have credit card debt with both of your names on the account you would have to pay that. The cost of medical care has gotten outrageously expensive!

Is a widow liable for husband's debts?
Spouses are only responsible for each other's community property debts, which are bills incurred during the course of the marriage. Spouses are not responsible for each other's separate debts, however. ... You do not have to pay your deceased spouse's debts after he or she dies.


Keep separate accounts!

I don't know anything about all that. The point is (and not everyone dies), people cannot
afford health care. It could be a spouse, a child, or someone else in the household that
gets sick or needs long term care or expensive prescriptions. The first thing these places
ask is 'do you have insurance?'. In the days past, the first thing they ask is 'what are your
symptoms?'.

My husband was 7 years older than me. He was retired, very good insurance, etc. Fortunately
most of his medical bills were covered. He had medical bills for some time before he went
into surgery. He was taking many medications for some time, of which was expensive too.
He would use a breathing machine four times per day and the medication that went with
that was close to $1,000 per month...his cost was only about $10 per month.

Bottomline, everyone should have medical insurance but it is incredibly expensive to many
people. It's simply not affordable to the average citizen.

I think the only solution, at least that I can see, is for ALL working adults, to pay for
ALL citizens health insurance. Look, I don't have children in school, but how often do
I pay school tax! I live inside the city now, but I pay city tax and county tax....plus
my county tax is most SCHOOL TAX. Every bill I receive is charging me for more than
the service I have. My electric even charges for simply coming out to read the meter.

If this country is going to nickel dime us on everything else, much of which is BS, why
not tax people on what we really need. If all working adults had a withholding for
health insurance, we'd all be covered. In addition, all hospitals, pharmacy companies,
physicians, should be monitored for illegal pricing. I worked in health care most my
life so I know first hand how outrageous even the simplest costs should be.

Well someone might say, I don't want money to come out of my paycheck for other
people's insurance. What I say to that is, you are already paying for other peoples
insurance. One way or another, we are all paying.

Interesting topic and this is certainly moving waves in the US like never before, But i don't see anyone supporting it. I know bernie was meant as a bit of a joke, But who else really want's it.

The Democrats talks about it (And that's just about it), And the republicans are afraid of dirty hospitals, Uneducated staff, Low wages, And someones Aunt had a bad experience somewhere in Italy :lol: .

So what you mention in your post is actually "SOCIALISM", The clever part about taxing citizens beforehand is that it goes pretty unnoticed and somehow feels free (Ho ho it isn't).

Imagine if citizens had to deduct their own tax from their monthly wage Scrrrreeeeeaaaammm.
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#19 by valerie » Wed Mar 20, 2019 06:55

Well that's the problem too, people don't know how to save for a rainy day.
Of course, many people simply struggle to pay their bills and put food on the table.

Take my deceased 92 year old grandfather, as an example. He worked all his
life and paid into insurance all his life. The man never went to the doctor!
When he died, he was in critical care for one day and died.

So what I am saying is not everyone goes to the doctor, even if they have
insurance. However, many like my grandfather, pay for the insurance.

Where did that money go? Where did all the money my grandfather paid
in, go? To the insurance company!

They take out for everything else, why can't they take out a standard insurance
tax. None of that money would go for lining corporate pockets. It would go
for health care of those that need it, period.

BUT like I said, they would still need to lower prices, considerably in the health
care world.

Bernie is for free free free free. haha
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#20 by rajukurup » Wed Mar 20, 2019 08:08

Health insurance is amust in this modern age for all people in all countries because the life is at a brim of deadly diseases.and to cope up with the huge expenses medical insurance will be a boon . In my state government has already availed health insurances to poor people at government hospitals and planning to give health insurance to all government employees at a low monthly premium to manage the huge expenses caused by deadly diseases .The fate of valeries husband and the presence of his health insurance points to the need of health insurance to all people to meet the huge expenses, so that our beloved ones have less burden.
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