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#1 by valerie » Mon Jul 11, 2016 06:19

I thought I would post this because I think if things keep going like they are going, people
will operate on themselves.

I was speaking with someone the other day and we were talking about the future and prices.
I was saying, I remembered when a loaf of bread cost .19 cents and a candy bar was .5 cents.

The conversation continued and I said health care is so expensive, I imagine people will start
performing operations on their self since people can access information online.

What I said, got me thinking it is ALREADY happening. There is a youtube video of a guy
pulling out his own tooth because they don't have dental insurance.

I suspect there are a lot of people performing some forms of surgery on themselves.

What do you think? Is this going to be the way of the future? Do we need to stock up on
alcohol and towels?
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#2 by Charez » Mon Jul 11, 2016 07:23

Sometime i read some medical forums, it's amazing the number of people who think to know better than doctors :mrgreen:
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#3 by chiragvarma1 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 07:36

Medical tourism is one of the solutions to this problem. People from US are coming to India for their treatment since it is quite cost effective and quality of treatment is at par or sometimes even better than you would get in the US.

Even the prices of medicines are dirt cheap in India.
The same pill that costs $1,000 in the U.S. sells for $4 in India
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#4 by ThelmaLou » Mon Jul 11, 2016 17:31

Valerie, scary thought.
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#5 by tasman1 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 17:35

Nasty , but that is a future...... Do We care still or are We brainwashed 100% .My opinion is that We are at NO RETURN POINT. Accept or die
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#6 by BouldRake » Mon Jul 11, 2016 17:36

Why not?

There's no special magical difference between you and a doctor. Doctors aren't special, they just learned more than you.

Everyone should know first aid, and there's a granular learning curve all the way from first aider to neurosurgeon. Where you are on that scale depends entirely on how much you've learned.

I know a lot more than a first aider, and a lot less than a nurse. I could tie your stitches, for example, or treat first or second degree burns, or stick your dislocated shoulder back in just fine. I couldn't stitch your hernia or give you a cannula.

It only gets stupid if you're doing it without any sort of education or training, or if you don't know what you don't know.
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#7 by tasman1 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 17:41

BouldRake wrote: Why not?

There's no special magical difference between you and a doctor. Doctors aren't special, they just learned more than you.

Everyone should know first aid, and there's a granular learning curve all the way from first aider to neurosurgeon. Where you are on that scale depends entirely on how much you've learned.

I know a lot more than a first aider, and a lot less than a nurse. I could tie your stitches, for example, or treat first or second degree burns, or stick your dislocated shoulder back in just fine. I couldn't stitch your hernia or give you a cannula.

It only gets stupid if you're doing it without any sort of education or training, or if you don't know what you don't know.



It will be a bit hard to perform a brain surgery on myself
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#8 by Marcel-R6 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 05:34

tasman1 wrote:
BouldRake wrote: Why not?

There's no special magical difference between you and a doctor. Doctors aren't special, they just learned more than you.

Everyone should know first aid, and there's a granular learning curve all the way from first aider to neurosurgeon. Where you are on that scale depends entirely on how much you've learned.

I know a lot more than a first aider, and a lot less than a nurse. I could tie your stitches, for example, or treat first or second degree burns, or stick your dislocated shoulder back in just fine. I couldn't stitch your hernia or give you a cannula.

It only gets stupid if you're doing it without any sort of education or training, or if you don't know what you don't know.



It will be a bit hard to perform a brain surgery on myself


That is assuming you have one :lol:
But Mr.Bould actually has a very good point.
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#9 by MARISWARI » Tue Jul 12, 2016 05:36

Youtube is the only one where we get all answers..
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#10 by Marcel-R6 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 06:51

MARISWARI wrote: Youtube is the only one where we get all answers..

So what does this have to do with this topic? Geez...
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#11 by valerie » Tue Jul 12, 2016 07:33

Well see, that is my point......we have access now to a flood of pin pointed information.
That is if we want to take the time to search for it.

For example, lets think about the dentist. One of the least costly dentist in my area
charges approximately $110.00 to extract a tooth. How does he go about that? Well,
basically he shoots some novocaine into the gum at the extraction site, then he takes
what is basically a pair or pliers and then he wiggles back and forth to loosen the tooth
for extraction and then he pulls it out. Then he places a wad of gauze for the patient
to bite down on and then he offers a prescription for a handful of pain pills.

In the old days, all they could do is drink a swig of whisky before the dentist pulled their tooth.

So what is the difference?

-Lack of education
-Lack of tools

That's it.

If you pin point the information for the surgery and learn what you need to do AND if you
have the tools to perform that surgery, you might do a better job than what a professional
would do plus save a ton of money.

So when it gets right down to it, the only problem I see is the lack of tools.

Best start buying surgical tools and equipment. :lol:
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#12 by greengarden » Tue Jul 12, 2016 07:43

Good pm Ms. Valerie,
In my little farm, I used to do “first aid” with my free-range livestock instead of referring them to a veterinarian. I dearly thank Him because “so far, so good”. ;) ;)
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#13 by Charez » Tue Jul 12, 2016 09:36

You can find some dentist chairs/beds costing above 10 000 euros, Prices are quite justified. Otherwise you can do like this :lol:

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#14 by Sarah_Hill » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:34

I agree doctors aren't special, not anymore than any of us, and I obviously agree nowadays we've got more and better tools and an easier access to education, generally speaking.

What I doubt is that everyone of us has the guts to perform any kind of surgery on ourselves; it's not all about tools and knowledge, it's also about steady pulse, calmness and not being afraid of seeing your own blood gushing out. Not everyone is ready for that. Besides, certain operations require more than a couple of hands to be successful; for example, someone who can stop blood flow while the surgeon is focused on the surgery itself. Not to mention those surgeries where the patient needs general anesthetic, I can hardly see how anyone could operate themselves while being asleep.

I had an uncle who once pulled his tooth out because he just didn't want to go to the dentist's... he didn't have any medical education and he did it with a pair of pliers, he just had the balls to do it (and he was lucky he didn't get an infection or something).

Doctors are not special, as neither are teachers, writers or street sweepers... but there's something called vocation, and I'm glad it exists. At least until machines can operate on us without the need of any human guidance (which will take quite some time).
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#15 by BouldRake » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:17

I'm not saying Doctors are pointless, or that you can just pick up a stethoscope, and job done, I'm just saying "I can't do anything at home" is just as bad as "I can do everything at home".

I mean, think about it - this is a world where people go to the doctors when they have a cold. We're not capable of everything by ourselves, but we're capable of a hell of a lot more than the average human thinks they are capable of.
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#16 by Darkstar2 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:03

BouldRake wrote: Why not?

There's no special magical difference between you and a doctor. Doctors aren't special, they just learned more than you.

Not quite - You do not study and immediately become a doctor. Once you go through medical school, you have to go through clinical and residency - you are not an MD until you pass all these stages.

See for instance just now, I just lost my bloody mind, so I have to perform important surgery in a few minutes,
and yes I have done this before (practice makes perfect yea?). I'll get back to you when I'm done.
You make good use of what you learned in school
BUT also what you practiced with success .... :D

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Operation was a success ! So as you can see I have done this many times before ;)

So the other types of operations would be a walk in the park :P


Back, so, what were we discussing ???
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#17 by Sarah_Hill » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:30

BouldRake wrote: I'm not saying Doctors are pointless, or that you can just pick up a stethoscope, and job done, I'm just saying "I can't do anything at home" is just as bad as "I can do everything at home".

I mean, think about it - this is a world where people go to the doctors when they have a cold. We're not capable of everything by ourselves, but we're capable of a hell of a lot more than the average human thinks they are capable of.

I totally agree with that. I'm perfectly able to treat some wounds myself, and bear a great deal of discomfort and pain before even thinking of going to the doctor's, not to mention a cold!
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#18 by Darkstar2 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 15:31

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I just performed another operation - simple ! :P

BTW I see that people confuse basic care (nursing related) with something a doctor would do.

Cleaning wounds, taking BP, measuring BG, vital signs, etc, doesn't require an MD :D

Performing self operations is far fetched and can be fatal. Also obviously you cannot perform many operations on your own as you would need to be sedated and under + you need to have your vitals monitored - however the problem is that people might get operated on black market, people who offer those services without the medical licence, and that's another topic.
As far as India and other countries this is so true, it is a shame that you are more likely to get proper medical treatment abroad than in your own country because of money corruption and pharma scams. In my corrupted country run by crooks , the pharmas and the big money interest prevail - some people here flock to Cuba or other countries to get the proper treatment they deserve, OR to get treatment at all as many of the patients here have to wait years for simple procedures, sometimes life saving ones. Sad system, sorry excuse for government, not enough budget dedicated to health care and the poor people who bust their nuts making 16h-20h shifts. Lack of staff, lack of hospital beds, lack of proper care.
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#19 by BouldRake » Tue Jul 12, 2016 16:10

Quote:BTW I see that people confuse basic care (nursing related) with something a doctor would do.

Not really, it's more a case of everyone else managing to have read the thread in it's appropriate context.
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#20 by valerie » Tue Jul 12, 2016 21:26

The topic is 'Operation performed by YOU' and discussing how that people may be more
apt to perform operations on their self in the future.

I worked in health care most my life and there is a lot of operations I could perform, if
I had to. That could be an operation I perform on myself or an operation I perform on
a family member or friend.

You might be surprised what you can do if you had to.
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