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Poll ended Sat Dec 12, 2015 09:42  »  Voted by 5 members  »  Single-choice
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#1 by BouldRake » Fri Sep 11, 2015 14:25

Assuming he's elected tomorrow as we all expect, is Jeremy Corbyn the best thing to happen the British Left wing since the 1980's, or has the despicable behaviour of the Blairite candidates in recent weeks made it impossible to vote Labour anyway?
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#2 by BouldRake » Fri Sep 11, 2015 15:24

I'm a libertarian. I don't believe government as we know it today - or it's left or right - should be a thing. I also don't trust people in general, so I'm not an actual anarchist. I think rule should be moved to the level of the Wapentake (or parish/local community if you're from somewhere that doesn't have Wapentakes).

I tend to vote for the left most candidate, but do so as a pragmatic choice, not an ideal one, and there have been exceptions if somebody is strongly pro-devolution, for example.

In a survey, I just say left.
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#3 by cazq » Sat Sep 12, 2015 02:51

In response to your first question, Jeremy Corbyn definitely IS the best thing to happen to the British Left Wingers, but certainly not the Labour Party. His appointment to Labour leader will result in the same stale, unelectable Labour Party as when Neil Kinnock was leader and no doubt for the same duration.

In reply to your second post, I have as much of a problem with my local Government as I do with national government. I also think there should be more powers at local level such as Parish Councils. Where I live we are being denied this very right by our Borough's autocratic leader who is clearly fearful of losing power. Local Authorities have become too big in my opinion - many millions is raised in Council Tax from my town, but very little is ploughed back - instead it is lavished on the larger town that bears the Borough's name - thus we feel no benefit.

There are hundreds of thousands of people homeless in the UK, and many more besides on the waiting list for social housing - but these will all be ignored in favour of the tens of thousands of so called refugees that Angela Merkel dictates that we should take

UKIP is the only party that appeals to me.
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#4 by BouldRake » Sat Sep 12, 2015 05:01

You're right, they're not "asylum seekers". That's dehumanising.

They're mothers and children. Fathers and daughters. Sons and mothers.

You're allowed to watch them die, but remember you did when it's your turn to suffer.
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#5 by cazq » Sat Sep 12, 2015 09:31

BouldRake wrote: You're right, they're not "asylum seekers". That's dehumanising.

They're mothers and children. Fathers and daughters. Sons and mothers.

You're allowed to watch them die, but remember you did when it's your turn to suffer.

Have you bothered to ask yourself why other arab countries are not taking in these people, oil rich states such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and all the rest? I haven't let anyone die - I am not responsible for anyone's death - don't you lay that one at me.
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#6 by BouldRake » Sat Sep 12, 2015 09:38

They won't take refugees because they're just as narrow minded as UKIP. Allowing asylum will open the door for their temporary workers to gain residency. Imagine that! Someone might live somewhere! That's terrible!

We don't have enough houses to go round, but actually, we have plenty of empty housing stock, even entire abandoned estates. It's true they may not be up to standard, but a sub-optimal house is better than no house at all. We also have hundreds of thousands of holiday homes, particularly on the East Coast of Yorkshire, and North Wales. Many of them are already open 12 months, but due to planning laws, are not residential. A rational person doesn't say "We don't have houses, we'll leave you to die". They say "Well, why don't we just use the houses we already have and solve both problems?"

Even if we didn't have those, we can still say okay, we can't give you a house, we don't have any. We've got plenty of land though. I can go to the North Yorkshire Moors and not see another human for weeks at a time. When I do, it's normally a warden moving me on because I've accidentally gone to a popular wild camping spot, instead of a good wild camping spot. If you want to come over and pitch a tent, you won't be in the middle of a war, and we won't be hitting you with drone strikes. We don't really want to build on this land - it's green belt, we'll all die if we build over the top of the world's lungs - but if you want to set up an eco village, that's fine.

The answer is never national socialism.

And that's the worst thing about UKIP. It's unimaginative, and defeatist. A vote for UKIP is a vote that says we can't do any better than this, there are no solutions to our problems, let's stop trying, this is the best we can do, let's just deport all the foreigners and grin and bear it. We as a nation, can do no better than this.
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