MLivePro wrote: Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

Time zooms by. I keep saying the same thing, that I have been working online over 15 years.
The reality, is much scarier. It's more like 25 years.

Y'all can do what you want, obviously.

I just want to inform you of something as you may or may not know.

When PayPal launched, they were a very lenient payment processor. As time moved forward, they got tired
of complaints and would often send emails to the seller to refund to the complainer. PayPal really worked with
people back in the day. If you were doing something they didn't appreciate, they'd tell you.

Unfortunately, as time proceeded PayPal declined they're old stance of helping people in that regard. They
continued to grow just like more and more people got online selling items, launching money programs, etc.
PayPal implemented more and more policies and rules. Users of PayPal had to be responsible and read those
policies, terms, know the rules because if they didn't, they stood to see their account locked if they didn't abide
by them.

Then one day eBay purchased PayPal. You could say that is when the buzzard really hit the fan. More
rules.

Take a guess how much money goes through PayPal through eBay every day? I cannot begin to fathom.

Since the beginning of the very first PayPal complaint, there has been protestors, to say the very least.

The PTC industry to PayPal, is not even pocket change.

PTC's are by far not the first industry that PayPal has locked out. Not by a long shot and it won't be the
last.

Now I want to inform you of a bit more. It's called the FBI, for short. I can't even begin to tell you all
about Cyber Security, Money Laundering, and I won't even dare mention other stuff here.

PayPal is not stupid. To be perfectly frank, they actually do some programs a favor by shutting them out.
Although the program may not ever realize it.

I am not condoning anything PayPal does or does not do. It does not matter if I did or I didn't anyway.

I am saying, being careful what you say online and what petitions you sign online. Stuff is not always
in black and white, at least not at the start.

kevin1877uk wrote: I guess the changes will either make or break CS. I would hope they will regain PayPal, it's not the same without PayPal, I've not done anything since PayPal went.

They'll get it back. There won't be any reason why they wouldn't.

Raizvan wrote: I guess the real question becomes, why would a promoter promote Clixsense
when they can promote other GPT sites that pay higher than 20% affiliate commissions.

And would current members continue to promote?
How many members would transition over to the other Big Bux site, or move over to another GPT?

Why promote any GPT site when they can promote other types of programs and get higher affiliate commissions?

People do what they want or like to do....some times without really thinking.

In reality, very few people make a lot of profit in the PTC/PTR/GPT world. Most owners don't either.

Look at some of the long list of pages out there promoting a ton of these things and you got to know what
they are after. Affiliate commissions. There is no way they are activity using all those, other than perhaps
to click a few ads or do just what is needed to stay active. You can't have multiple task accounts and you
can't do the same surveys or offers (for the most part) more than once.

There is a lot to be said for indirect money. In other words, you build a list in one thing, some of that
list is likely to come over to the other thing....even if those two things have nothing in common.

It's mostly just a multiple income stream for promoters that are advertising various PTC/PTR/GPT programs.

I suspect there will always be members that promote ClixSense. However, I also suspect that it may be a
little tougher in one regards. Or at least, some may not bother promoting it because they were only interested
in the 8 level upgrade funds. Now members have to focus more on the effort instead of the lack thereof, in
regards to promoting. They have to really locate people that are willing to work to make some extra money.

Darkstar2 wrote: @Valerie, been saying this for years - Enrollment is one thing, but activity is another. It is not uncommon to get loads of referrals and then only a fraction are still active. This what I've been saying all along, the lure of the get rich quick industry. People don't want to just click to get pennies when they can get loads of money from the ponzi schemes out there and the promise for fortune. That's the problem, people won't do tasks, surveys, none of that, they want to sign up and grab the money falling from the sky.

This is why I always rely on my OWN work and efforts and not that of referrals and I am proud of my earnings here from the beginning.

Of course it is unfortunate for those who had referrals and can no longer earn, this is going to be a problem indeed, I am sorry for those who are going through this, but you must always have a back up plan, never rely on one stream. Nothing is eternal and all good things come to an end. It upsets me to see people saying that ClixSense is dying, dead, etc......People have been complaining for years about the low earnings of CS and pennies per click, now people are sad to see the PTC go ? Perhaps it's time to move on and find some better revenue streams. But by all means, CS not dying. What is dying in my opinion is CF with their ridiculous support, the mediocrity of tasks and task authors and the issue with flags which is driving away people from doing tasks. So that's my only concern now. Majority of the traffic to neobux and clixsense is high tier countries that rely on PTC elements more so than offers and surveys. Of course tier 1 countries won't feel the changes as they were earning from tasks and surveys I still believe in CS and I'm sure it was not an easy decision let's wait and see what's in store. People bashing CS and claiming it is dead are not helping things.

Yes that is true. Few of the PTC's have been very good for various people. It's been a very affordable solution
in some areas, for advertising. It's also been very good for people that want to make some extra money but
don't have time to spend a lot of focus daily due to offline restraints. It's also been good for people that are in
fact willing to work these types of tasks, offers, surveys, videos, without referring anyone.

I always see the main problem as TIME. No matter if one is a full time marketer online or not....never enough
time in a day.

jjohnson777 wrote: I think I earned under 5% from levels 2-8 so I not crying over loss of it. Bigger commissions from tasks/offers might just make this very good for me. I am having open mind at least not seeing world ending.

The thing is, you didn't earn anything from the levels activity, only direct referrals....other than their upgrade of course.

The upgrade has always been some what attractive for mlm marketers, especially.
However, even so, it is far from big money.

You should contact me over chat. I'll be launching something very soon with 50% commissions and that
pans out to almost $500. I think you have a following so, I am willing to give you free upgrade.

Yep, i think some are kind of jumping the gun so to speak in regards to the changes. They might find
they like the new additions. Everyone has what they like and don't like to do. As the old saying goes,
you can't please everyone. You just have to do what is best overall to stay a reliable entity, so to speak.

It's premature talk because ClixSense plainly stated they were adding some optional ways to earn.

There are some very reliable free to earn programs out there. One in particular that is huge, does
not have an upgrade fee, and pays a percentage on direct referrals activity. This is obviously the
model CS is going to. They always have loads of videos.

They thought about removing the levels years ago. It was just a matter of time before they did.

The uni-level system here and low cost optional upgrade, was not frowned upon by PayPal in years
past. However, today, PayPal has cracked down on most any company or program utilizing any
type of level system. Even two tier. If you want to be compliant with PayPal, you got to pretty
much stick to no more than a finders fee (one tier of direct earnings).

Oh you may say that PTC exists, or that other PTC is doing fine, or those other PTC's use PayPal.
However, what you know is one thing and what you don't know is another thing.

For example PayPal is a USA company. ClixSense is a USA program too. There's a very real and
big difference in that compared to so called other PTC that may be offshore. In addition, you don't
know what legal entity is watching or investigating. I know of programs that was being investigated
by the FBI for years before they were shut down the entire shebang.

My point of this topic, is to simply inform those that may be interested in continuing their membership
and continuing to make money here, to get a head start. Focus on redoing your ads, your blog pages,
welcome messages, etc.

I know many are focusing on leaving or staying but any way you choose, is not going to help you talking about it.

Any time there is a major change in anything, adjustment is called into play.
Those that know how to face change and challenges, always fair best.

I think I may not be the only one but I think I am a good one to let you know what I have been seeing.

At one time and for many years, I had upwards of 20,000 active referrals in my ClixSense organization.

At most any one time, I had approximately 1,200 to 2,000 upgraded (premium) referrals.

In addition, I personally sponsored approximately 1,400 referrals. Understand, I personally sponsored
REAL people, not garbage, not junk sign ups, but real people.

No matter what make money industry you work in online, the percentage of activity and upgrades is going
to be extremely low in comparison to enrollment rate. I won't go into the why's of that.

In more recent time I have noticed my organization dropping. Not just because PayPal was gone but that
certainly didn't help. At this moment I have less than 13,000 active referrals in my organization and less
than 900 upgraded (premium) referrals in my organization.

Obviously you can do see the drop without even doing the math.

Members such as myself, that may have a lot of upgraded referrals in their organization, it can hurt the
pocketbook a little bit. 900 upgraded referrals, that is 900 dollars per year (if you want to look at it like
that).

If you have don't have any referrals, well now could be the good time to focus on a plan that will boost
your income dramatically. If you do have referrals but they are inactive, you might want to focus on a
good message to inform them of the changes.

I just wanted to give you some suggestions.

1. Grab your referrals. If you have direct referrals, whether they are active or inactive, go to your downline display and copy them and paste into a document. This way you have saved their contact information (not all referrals display their email address but most do).

2. Create a New Welcome Message. You can focus on creating a new welcome message that will display inside their member area and yours. In addition, you can focus on creating a new welcome message or a series and/or a series of messages to welcome and introduce them to ClixSense.

3. You can begin creating new site content. In fact since the way the new CS will be set up, you may find some of the free blog sites won't boot your content since CS is free.

4. STRESS the MOBILE!!! Maybe you are basically doing the same thing at this moment that I am. I am inside my house sitting at a desk. Can you guess how many millions of people are not in their house right now? It's really way past time CS updated to Mobile because there are people at their work place twiddling their thumbs, people on vacation, people on the road, people every where but not at home!

Do you have some suggestions to get prepared for the new changes?

You see, instead of sitting around griping or wondering who will stay or who will go, YOU take ACTION and in doing so, you will come out a winner.

Malay | International | ClixSense Forum

Discuss it with other members in your country and see what they are using.

incentive wrote: 1. Here how bitcoin works > How does Bitcoin work? - Bitcoin

2. Usually I buy in my country currency using Bitcoin Wallet XAPO or LUNO

3. Yes I buy in my country cash and they automatic exchange to bitcoin worth of USD

4. What I like about bitcoin is...the price is lowest fees and the prices can go up and down like stock market

5. I like Bitcoin because the lowest fees

6. It dificult to saying how stable the wallet...for USA user I recommended using Coinbase (You can withdraw your bitcoin to PayPal)

7. Yes bitcoin worth can go up and down like gold/silver and stock market.

Ok thank you. I will go down the rabbit hole.

What do you folks do with Bitcoin?

How does Bitcoin work?

If you want to buy Bitcoin and you don't have Bitcoin, how do you buy it?

Do you buy Bitcoin with your country cash....USA dollar exchange for Bitcoin dollar?

Why do you like Bitcoin?

Do you like Bitcoin so that you can use it online? Or do you like Bitcoin because you can easily exchange it or transfer to your bank?

Where do Bitcoins come from?

What is the best and most trusted Bitcoin payment processor?

Do Bitcoin worth go up and down daily like gold/silver?

I am working on something and would appreciate knowing what your payment preferences are.

1. How do you prefer to send money to someone from your country to the USA?

2. How do you prefer to receive money from someone in the USA?

3. Do you have Western Union in your country?

4. Can you receive bank wire transfers from someone in the USA?

5. Is the USA dollar worth more or less in your country?

6. Do you use trustworthy online payment processors/money transfer sites? If so, what are they and how long have you used them?

7. Have you ever received mail from the USA and if so, how many days did it take for you to receive it? Does your country open your mail before they give it to you?

Thank you.

I worked in health care most my life.

Elderly people should be treated with respect and as they adult that they are.

There are alternatives. For starters, a home health care aid. Someone that will be there at least a
few hours a day to help with meds and activities. A professional health aid will most likely know how
to communicate with your mother, after you fill in the blanks.

You might be surprised to find that your mother looks forward to the health care aid daily visit.

Your father needs to focus on trying to have his mother make the decisions. It sounds like she is
the type of woman that is set in her ways and does not want to be told what to do. So the last thing
anyone should do, is tell her what to do.

It's very difficult. There are online support groups and forums that are free. You might browse some
of those to see what is working for others in similar situations.

Pedminacar wrote: Hi

My grandmother have a type of cancer in her breast, but she can't get quimio because she also has an infection in the foot. The thing is she doesn't want to be treated, she needs some pills to destroy the infection so she can be treated with quimio, but she throw them to the garbage can, because "they are bad for the stomach". In the other day it was programed to go to the hospital to take some blood samples, but she didn't want to go! My father doesn't know what to do. My grandmother is illiterate, she never went to school.

Does anyone know any solution to this? Did this happen to some of your relatives?

Help would be appreciated.

You could have her legally deemed as not mentally stable to make health decisions and it would be in your parents/family control of her health situation.

Or

You can let her be choose to do what she wants with the rest of her life.

Oh I almost forgot.

God Bless!

One last post before I call it a day.

Don't take any wooden nickels!

Well, here is a bit about me that you may or may not know.

I have a BS degree in Rehabilitation and work with disabled children a few hours a week.

I work a lot online and have for 20 years.

I was the first person and first woman to launch a Coffee MLM Distributorship online with all the bells and whistles.

I was one of the first people online to launch a Downline Club.

I have owned several downline clubs, safe-lists, traffic exchange, GPT program, advert programs and a host of websites.

At one time, I owned over 100 websites online.....all running at the same time!

For the past few years, I have been working to create a new program.

I've had people ask me, 'why you moderating at a PTC forum?' and my answer is 'because I like it'.

As the old saying goes, you can't make everyone happy so don't even try. Just try to make yourself happy and
if you can do that, the majority of people will be happy with you.

I guess I am changing the subject some what but if you ever get to watch the show 'Black Mirror'
there is an interesting show in Season One. It starts out very weird and you feel lost about what
is going on. A young woman is bar hopping and meets up with another young woman that is a bar
hopper. The two women are lesbians but you really don't know that for awhile. Finally, near the
end, in what you thought was two women simply time traveling between centuries bar hopping,
is two old woman on their death beds. One woman has chosen life everlasting and the other has
not made up her mind. Finally at the end, you see both old woman, young again, holding hands
walking on the beach.....and as it goes off, you see a HUGE computer house with thousands of
Servers......and the song plays 'Heaven is a Place on Earth'. That really gets your mind thinking.
In other words, the two women died but their brains were their soul and conserved into a data
base in a server.

Anyway, people have their own beliefs and traditions of what to do with the deceased.

I will tell you what I DON'T agree with. I don't agree with USA States that have it illegal to bury
the dead on your own property.

Some people believe the body should not be cremated and then there are other people that believe it should.

Personally, I don't care because my body is nothing more than that, a body. I've been taking up space while
I am alive, I don't see any point in taking up space after I am dead.

There is a lot more to be said about that. Money.

When a person you are close to dies, you may be the one to deal with the funeral arrangements.

Casket= $5,000+
Vault= $2,000+
Funeral Home $1,000+
Plot= $1,000+
Clothes, Hairdresser, Guest Book, Pastor/Speaker, etc = $500+
HeadStone= $1,000+
Flowers/Vases=?????? lots of money

Unfortunately, it can be rather expensive not to mention just down right depressing. In the USA, it
can easily cost near $20,000. This figure could go considerably higher depending on what the family
decisions are.

BUT it does keep people in business.

AHA! Here it is. I guess I thought someone had stolen this thread.

I know why I didn't spot it. It did not have 'Easter' in the subject topic title.

I have a few exercise machines. One I purchased several years ago and it was a little on the expensive side.
It a flex bow and has a lot to it. It's real TALL and I always hated the space it takes up. I keep it over in the
shop because there is no room for it in the house.

More recently I purchased an exercise bike and an exercise stepper. Both of them I use every few days.
They were both very inexpensive. I think I gave only 90 bucks for the bike and 80 bucks for the stepper.
They're made very well and I like them so I use them.....unlike the huge contraption I have in the shop
that cost be ten times those amounts.

I go for a brisk walk around my property daily when the weather allows.

I'm kind of like 'hirive' in that there is always work to do around here.

My veggie garden is tilled and I put some large bags of fertilizer mixed in too.

This morning I planted one tomato plant in a very large pot on my balcony. I almost feel like it might
do better than the ones I plant in the garden.

The 'twirlers' are falling like crazy. I call them 'twirlers' for lack of a better word. They are from the trees
when they begin to bud and bloom. The twirlers go every where.....I hate them.....hate hate hate. I swept
those off the balcony today and as I swept ten, twenty more landed.

I keep saying I am going to learn some dances and get exercise at the same time. They have tons of
videos at youtube of people teaching dances and exercise to dance. I always look like a fish out of water
when I dance.

I don't think people were meant to be sedentary.

Moderators cannot delete posts.

That is so weird.