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Today I won ClixGrid two times in a row » Post #2

Fri Dec 30, 2011 17:02 in Success Stories

Today is your lucky day. Congrats! :P

What day of the week were you born? » Post #1

Fri Dec 30, 2011 14:33 in General Talk

I was born on a Tuesday.

If you don't know what day you were born, you can go to google and type in brain brashers...go there and it will show you the day you were born.

Happy New Year & Merry Christmas » Post #7

Fri Dec 30, 2011 13:57 in General Talk

It must be wonderful to live some where like Bali. Sounds like every day is paradise.

Clixsense Weekly Email Has Me Very Excited » Post #4

Fri Dec 30, 2011 13:55 in General Talk

YES and it's HOT! More ways to earn in ClixSense coming soon! :P

Winning » Post #2

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:12 in Success Stories

Congrats! :clap:

Perplexity » Post #10

Fri Dec 30, 2011 09:38 in General Talk

Ok, I guess I did not understand what it was exactly you were asking.

To all the moneymakers » Post #7

Fri Dec 30, 2011 03:28 in General Talk

I don't think most people are going to get thousands of sign ups unless they do already have a large following,
own their own program, have a rather active blog, etc.

I can tell you I have gotten some sign ups recently from using a traffic exchange and targeting 'Turkey and Bangladesh'.

You just have to advertise where you can, when you can, and you never know when you will gain referrals from those places. Like the old saying goes, if you don't, you won't and if you do, you will.

Perplexity » Post #7

Fri Dec 30, 2011 02:58 in General Talk

It's really kind of a touchy subject because the legal end of it is very touchy.
The internet is still so new and there are so many programs out there and in different countries, it can be really
trying for the law to succeed in punishing scamsters.

Let's call someone Joe. Joe decides he want to launch a PTC program. Joe is a good guy. Joe is honest.
Joe buys a PTC script and launches his new PTC. He's real excited and all his intentions are great. Joe
is going to make his PTC the best PTC online. Joe wants to make a profit but he is also excited about his
members making a profit too. Everything goes along good at first. Then Joe runs into problems. Joe
realizes his math was not quite on target and he has been paying out more than what he really should
be. Also, advertisers at first were buying ads but now the ad buys have slacked off to almost nil. To top
it off, Joe is having payment processor problems because of no fault of his own. Finally, Joe can barely
afford to cover his hosting fees each month. Plus, he has lots of members that have reached payout,
but he has no funds to pay them.

Is Joe a scamster? Is Joe's PTC program a scam?

Well, I'd have to say, no it's not. Joe probably has a tos on site that even says, you may not make any
money at all. His tos might also say, he is not liable for internet interruptions, errors, unforeseen issues.

But what about the law? What about the general members of Joe's program? What do they see?
What do they say?

Most probable the law is going to be on Joe's side. The law will have to prove that Joe had the INTENTION
to commit fraud, to scam his members. That is certainly going to be hard to prove since Joe never had
an intention to scam or fraud anyone. He really thought his program was going to fly.

Unfortunately, many of his members that are waiting on their payout are going to holler scam. Poor Joe.
He is going to be known online as a scamster simply because some members did not get their $1 or $2 or
$10 payout. Even tho legally, he is not.

People get very irate when it comes to money and it does not matter how small the amount is. If they
think for one second they are not going to get their ten cents that is owed to them, they'll holler scam.

Now lets look at Fred...

Fred wants to make a lot of money. Fred is a deviant. Fred does not care who he hurts. Fred is pretty
cool, he's a smooth talker. Fred comes up with an idea on how to scam thousands of people out of money.
Fred launches a PTC program. He raves and carries on like it's the hottest thing since slice bread. He
charges big upgrade fees. He sells bogus referrals. He pays his members tho....yep, he pays them when
they request it...he even does automatic payouts and his payouts are set nice and low. His members
are smiling from ear to ear...telling everyone hey look I got paid and so people are joining left and right.
Heck, Fred even offers special deals and contests to draw in the crowd. More people are joining and ole
scamster Fred is making a mint. He is rolling in dough. Everything is going great for everyone. After
about six months, Fred increases the payout limit. Fred increase the cost of upgrade options. Heck,
ole Fred has even moved from the Belize. Next thing you know, it's been months since Fred has paid
anyone at all. Fred makes excuses of course. When his members stop upgrading, he then offers them
a deal they can't refuse....instead of $50 upgrade, we're going to only charge $10 but only when you
act quickly. Fred makes several more thousands of dollars. After all, why would anyone not trust Fred?
Fred has been great. Fred has always paid out on time. Fred is just going thru some small issues right
now. While Fred's members are wondering when they are going to get paid, Fred is out on his yacht
in Belize, sipping wine, women feeding him grapes, music playing. Wasn't it great that Fred came up
with such a plan? Next thing ya know POOF....program is gone.

Was Fred's program a scam?


Can Fred be held liable by law and can it be proven that Fred had INTENTION to commit fraud?

Well, that's a tough answer. Maybe yes because the law could see where that money was going from
the get go. The law could see that Fred was not appropriating his funds correctly. It's really hard
to say yes or no in regards to him being found guilty in a court of law.

Perplexity » Post #5

Fri Dec 30, 2011 01:25 in General Talk

By the way, just to make it more clear, you can discuss what a scam is, what fraud is, things to look for that may be scam related or to beware of. But you can't name names nor program names.

Perplexity » Post #4

Fri Dec 30, 2011 01:21 in General Talk

I think what you are asking, can you discuss with other members about scam programs and name or list
those programs you believe to be a scam. That was my understanding of what you are asking.

I pointed out, that most people do not know what a scam really is. The point being, there is a legal definition
of scam. The admin of ClixSense does not want such a topic discussion and rightfully so. I was also pointing
out that some members may come along and say a program is a scam, when it really isn't a scam. Some times
people get mad at a program or even the program owner, and they will tell others it is a scam when in reality
it is not a scam.

I ask you if you knew what a scam is, for a reason. The reason being, you are not the only one that is going
to read this message. Others in the ClixSense forum may read it also.

There are legalities when calling a program a scam when it is not. Unfortunately, a scam is very difficult to
detect. Many programs will save themselves legally, from being deemed a scam, due to their fine print.

There is also something called 'Fraud' and that can work hand in hand with 'Scam'.

Scam is legally defined as the intention to commit fraud.

Therefore, if a program does not pay it's members, is that program a scam?
Well, that is a very big question in which the legal answer may or may not be so clear.

One might rather say, 'I joined a program and it did not pay me' as opposed to 'I joined a program and it is
a scam'.

I wasn't being rude. Sorry you took it that way.

Check or Cheque - That is the question? » Post #8

Fri Dec 30, 2011 01:06 in General Talk

I guess our language came from the British. We seem to be made up from so many languages that we
can't even understand each other half the time. :lol:

To all the moneymakers » Post #4

Fri Dec 30, 2011 01:03 in General Talk

There was NO links there when I read it.

Eh, maybe there was. I'm about half asleep.

Perplexity » Post #2

Fri Dec 30, 2011 00:45 in General Talk

I don't think so.

Most people don't know what a scam is. They tend to holler scam when they have a dispute, or they rip the program off then they get mad when they are given the boot, disgruntled members, and so on and so on.

I learned a long time ago, not to believe everything you hear and everything you read.

Do you know what a scam is?

Dreams Come True with oldest PTC ClixSense » Post #2

Fri Dec 30, 2011 00:31 in Success Stories

Congrats! :P

To all the moneymakers » Post #2

Fri Dec 30, 2011 00:24 in General Talk

Some times it is just luck. That's the great thing about a level system. ClixSense has a Uni-Level downline system. It's actually the best in matrix systems there is online, altho it is not actually a matrix. When comparing to forced matrices, binaries, two by's, etc, the Uni-Level can't be beat. Altho uni-level is mlm, today, most people tend to not agree and refer to it as 'tiers' or tier system or affiliate system. The great thing about ClixSense tier system is of course firstly, it's width. There is no holds on width and basically it is thru infinity. Another great thing about the tier system is of course, it's depth. The depth is actually rather deep for a uni-level system as many tier programs cut off at 3, 4, 5 levels.

If you stop working, you always lose. You can't depend on your downline to do all the work. Sure, you may make money, but you will always miss out on what could have been IF you had worked. I see here posts about 'sponsors'. Maybe my sponsor has been to this forum but I have not noticed if he has. The last time I heard from him was several months ago when he sent me a new program to look at. I don't know how active he is or anything. Not sure if he ever said thanks for joining. But it does not matter. Regardless of what some people think, sponsors are really not babysitters. Often the sponsor knows no more than the new referral they brought in. It really is up to each individual to learn as much about ClixSense as they can...that is the very FIRST thing to do. When you do that, you'll find it much easier to explain it to others, to type content about it, to answer questions rapidly with solid answers.

I guess I have about 13,000 or 14,000 active referrals in my 8 tiers. Out of those, over 1,000 are upgraded. But you know what...I click the ads every single day, all thru-out the day. I click the micro ads too. I NEVER look at who is inactive. I don't care who is inactive. I have no focus at all on inactive referrals. I see posts here all the time of members talking about non active referrals. Who cares? I don't care. I don't have time for that nonsense. Of course there is going to be non actives because the world is not perfect. Marketing is not perfect and neither is advertising and few people have a marketing degree online anyway. I'm not going to beat myself up or scratch my head and focus my time on the WHYS of referrals that are non active. Instead, I focus on the active referrals and gaining more referrals and using the ClixSense system as much as I possibly can.

Your questions in regards to scenarios, there is no answer. You can't say well if I get 300 referrals and average 50% within 3 months, what is my daily average? There is no real answer to that. It's not a science project here. You might get 300 referrals with 50% activity but what activity is that? How many ads has each clicked and how many have each sponsored? Why even bother with such a question?

You are rather restricted, to say the least, if you are a standard member. As a premium member, the sky is the limit. But no one here can tell you exactly how many referrals you will get and how many of those will stay active and how many ads each will click and how many will upgrade to premium and how many will refer others and how many of those others they refer that upgrades, etc.

You've got to do something in order to get something.

As time moves forward, you can gain referrals and those may gain referrals but if you don't keep keeping on, you might find your earnings stagnate or even become less, because there are always members that are not active, there are always members that have a change in their life-style and move, pass away, etc. That's why it is wise to keep on keeping on. Keep on focusing on gaining referrals. This does not mean you have to sit in front of your computer 24 hours a day.

In regards to spending money, don't spend what you don't have. Utilize free sources. A good rule of thumb is to spend a
percentage of what you earn. Some use a 70/30 rule and some use a 50/50 rule, it just depends on what you want to do. For example if you get paid $10 from ClixSense, take $7 and put it in your pocket...leave the other $3 for paid advertising.
That way, you are never spending money out of your pocket.

You more or less answered the main question you ask, yourself.

You never know when you will enroll someone, that enrolls someone, that enrolls someone, that enrolls 1,000 members. It's important to keep trying, to keep focusing on gaining referrals, to keep targeting those people that would really be interested in ClixSense.

Check or Cheque - That is the question? » Post #6

Thu Dec 29, 2011 23:47 in General Talk

Yes that is correct.

Check or Cheque - That is the question? » Post #4

Thu Dec 29, 2011 23:01 in General Talk

I tell you why I thought of that is because in ClixSense which is a USA based company, they have it typed as 'cheque'.
Which of course does not mean their programmers and copy writers are in the USA.

In the USA, we usually say 'check'.

Second Win on ClixGrid » Post #2

Thu Dec 29, 2011 22:40 in Success Stories

Congrats! :P

Check or Cheque - That is the question? » Post #1

Thu Dec 29, 2011 17:45 in General Talk

Ok, I know, another silly poll. :lol:

1$ on clixgrid so easy! » Post #2

Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:45 in Success Stories

WoW! I've really got to start clicking in the clixgrid more. :clap:
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