Kick you off what?

What are talking about?

ClixSense does not own any political ads that I am aware of.

Also, if you view an ad you don't like, simply click the little x to close it just like you would any page
you don't want to look at.

I think it's best to make the money first and know you have some solid income to rely on,
before you quit the 9 to 5, so to speak.

Well you know, I know them all to a great extent.

We were all knew back then, all focusing on ways to make money online. MLM became the rage and what
people wanted. It was easy and there was no real talk about legalities because there was none.

I met a fellow name Eric online and I can't recall how we met. We would chat over MSN messenger. He may
have been a subscriber of my ezine or perhaps I met him in an MLM program. I forget where he was....Russia
perhaps. His handle was 'divingman' or some such as that. One day I was chatting to Eric and mentioned that
I needed a programmer for new web design of my ugly ezine website. So he tells me about his friend over in the
Ukraine. To make that short, his web designer and I, become very good online friends. He becomes my go to
web designer and every time he needed some money, I would give him a job to do. I always had plenty that
needed done. Plus, he could not use PayPal per se at that time and it was kind of a 3 way street getting the
money to him. I would sent it to Eric which in turn would send it to him.

I don't know which of us met Patel and his buddy, first. Patel would do a little programming. He lived in
Canada and I think his buddy did too at the time. They are both from India. I think his buddy was a better
programmer and Patel was still in the learning phase....some time later, Patel did take night classes at a college
there in Canada to learn programming.

In the mean time, Patel and his buddy would launch simple MLM programs that were often just a tad
pricey for those start up years. There was never a product in those and pricing was around the $40
a month mark...all with forced matrices I might add. I had a large following so they would always contact
me when they were launching a program. Nothing lasted long. I don't know if anything they had lasted
any longer than 5 months during that time frame.

Eventually Patel and his buddy launched a chocolate MLM because his buddy had a chocolate store there
in Canada. My web designer designed it and it was really a sharp looking website. I did not join because
I got mad at Patel. I had hired him to create the software for my coffee company and he screwed it up,
badly. Basically, Eric, My Web designer, and Patel, had a big falling out, you could say. I won't go into
all that. Anyway, the chocolate MLM did not last either, although it was a good concept it had a big flaw.
CHOCOLATE MELTS in warm weather. I knew those that did receive the candy and they all said it was
very good. The problem was they could only ship the chocolate in the cold months. Plus, for the time,
it was pricey.

As the chocolate MLM was failing, along came.....

DOUBLERS. What a rage that was! WOW! That was something else. I decided I wanted in on that
too but I wanted it to be legit because doublers were beginning to get a bad name. Patel had screwed
up the software he created since he really did not know as much about programming as he said he did...
for my coffee company. I got mad at him because I had paid him and my launch was a nightmare. I
had to turn around quickly and pay big money every month for software, move everything over and it
was more than a hassle....plus lost a lot of customers and affiliates. So I launch my doubler and I say
I am going to have a REAL product 'coffee' so that every so many cycles (when they double) they'll
actually be sent coffee. Of course, I couldn't ship coffee around the world so that idea became dead
as a doornail. So my doubler did not last long either but I did not network as some scamsters did. I
just tried it, and it did not pan out, that was it. I did pay everyone as they cycled.....with StormPay.

Don't shoot the messenger but Jim worked for Stormpay in some aspect so that is how he came to
purchase ClixSense on down the road. I really loved Stormpay. I still think of it as the best payment
processor online, ever! Stormpay laid it on the line. They said, more or less, you are responsible for
what you do.....not anyone else. So if you go so far as to join a scam program, that is your problem,
not ours. You deal with whatever it is you have a problem with but don't come running to us just
because you used us to spend your funds on garbage. People like myself really liked that. Here is a
payment processor that is not sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. A payment processor that
is not playing 'find the scam'. A payment processor that is not pointing fingers. There was none of that
junk going on. I won't go any further into that, just saying loved that payment processor and wish it
would have survived the trying times.

So there is a breaking away period in which I sort of break away from the boys. I am busy with my
coffee business. My web designer was to have a bigger part in that but things did not pan out. So
my web designer, Eric, Patel, and I think it was his buddy......the 4 of them get together and launch
a massive doubler. You could just sit there and watch the money roll......cha ching cha ching cha ching.
You could see the names as they doubled.... Susie, Jane, David.....almost as fast as I could type them.
The money was just rushing in like water. Then after thousands had joined.....what happen? Sure...
the doubling began to slow. Where everyone was once praising them on their forum, now they were
screaming for their money.

That was almost the last of what I heard from them but not over completely. Patel's buddy got married
and we had chatted over MSN messenger and he showed me a couple of his wedding pictures. He is
Indian and his wife so I think they moved on back to India. I can't remember his name but when I think
back on it, his buddy may have been his brother.

I didn't communicate with my web designer much any more. He had won the International lottery
in which you put in for America and he and his family moved to the USA. I did do some sound talk
with him over some voice thing online to help pronounce English words ..... but he did/does speak
English fine. His wife and children did not speak English so it was hard on them. Last I heard from
them, they were living in Miami and he some focus in a furniture store.

So Patel comes over MSN messenger one day and wants me to test out a new payment processor
that he is launching. My web designer designed it and it's called 'AlertPay'. I didn't really want to
because I was still mad at Patel for that screwy software he created for my coffee company. I joined
AlertPay and with the exception of him and my web designer, you could say I was their first customer.
So Patel walks me through and wants me to transfer out money so he can show me how they can
send a check, etc. All worked great. In a few days I received the check. I think I did that by way
of an eGold funds transfer to AlertPay and then cash out by check. All worked fine. I guess he thought
I would promote it but I didn't. The only reason why I didn't was because I was mad at him and because
I kind of felt like it wouldn't fly and because they didn't let me in on what they were doing. They didn't
rub my back so I didn't rub there's.

I never used AlertPay much at all and I usually advised against it. Patel started telling everyone that
it was not his. He said it was his brother's. The reason being was because Patel is or at least was, in
Canada. So he couldn't say that AlertPay was his due to some sort of Canadian regulation. His brother
being in India, I think it was, could. So they put it in his brother's name.

Sure, I got mad at him. I wasn't perfect either. So in all honestly, back then, we were all just trying
to create a business online and make money. None of us was focused on screwing anyone over. It's
almost like when people discovered countries years ago.....a new land....a new start up, a new way to
begin life, a new business. It was all so new that there really wasn't any law and everyone was trying
to figure out the best way to do things.

Patel was self taught at first, more or less and then he worked taking night classes at a college some
where in Canada to learn programming. When he completed that, he saw the issues with Stormpay
and the lack of payment processors online and the way he could make a ton of money and that is how
AlertPay came to be. So in all honesty, I can't call him a scamster. It's just the way Payza is due to
the various country regulations and such. I am not sure but I don't think Patel ever had a HYIP. If
he did that was before I ever knew him. He may have joined and promoted one, but didn't we all
back then? He did in fact, have useless MLM's he and his buddy created and the massive doubler.
I wouldn't dare cut them slack on that doubler because they had to known that would slow and stall
eventually and lots of people lost lots of money.

That's how it all came to be.

Ya, I was just referring to the movie being interesting in regards to the DNA structure.

We're not allowed to discuss religion on the forums. I know about demon take over
and devil work to stray people from the truths.

So onward.....

I think it is interesting what they are doing with DNA now because we actually don't
hear much about it.

Even online, you can pay a small amount of money.....something like $100 for a kit,
do the swab, send it back, then they will send it back to you and let you know which
diseases you will most probable get.

But now, there are scientist focusing on manipulating the DNA. Of course, it is said
if they can manipulate the DNA it would be good for removing the bad aspects.

There are animals that we share some similar DNA and some we are very close to.
It just makes me wonder, what they may do in the future and how people truly may
change to be something different than what they are now.

It is interesting to note what was here many years ago and some strange bones
they have found. I will just say, one refers to 'giant' when they are 'small' so who
knows. I mean, if I am 5 foot tall and I need to fight someone 7 foot tall, I am sure
I would refer to that person as a giant.

Then also of course, there are those few people that are born with giant disease
such as 'Andre the Giant'. They are very tall with distinct bone and facial structure.

There are also many various types of people that society nor scientist deem as
normal. Many of these relate to DNA and the X and Y chromosomes.

It's all very interesting, me thinks.

Welcome back!

Tas is busy making Wally Facial Moisturizer.

Rosegold is busy laughing at posts.

Charez is busy busting topics with logic.

DavidBugs is now Sweetiepie3000 and just as nervous as ever.

Last night I watched a movie 'The Rupture'. I thought it was really good because it actually
changed my way of thinking about how aliens could be walking amongst us.

Of course, the movie was kind of silly in regards to HOW they presented a DNA change but
the idea of a change in the DNA string, was logical in my opinion.

If you like movies about aliens, be sure to watch it.

It does really make you think about those people that say they were abducted and taken
to a space ship, testing done on them, and returned home.

In this movie, aliens are created right here on earth by changing the DNA structure. People
are abducted based on their particular fears. Not taken to a space ship but taken to a warehouse.

I almost wish I hadn't watched it!
The reason being is because it made too much sense to me. That perhaps now or at any point
in time, there could be a scientific study made either by aliens or by people, that change our
DNA to the point we become something different.

I thought it a remarkable movie.

Wallaby pee makes great facial moisturizer they say. They say it is like liquid gold.
It is said, if you live around wallabies to carry a bucket and milk the wallaby of it's
pee.

Then you can bottle it and sell to 'Beverly Hills Tasmanian Anti-Wrinkle Wally Golden Facial Moisturizer'.

Come and listen to my story about a man named Tas
A down under Aussie, barely kept his family fed,
And then one day he was collecting Wallaby wee,
And up through the ground come a bubblin pee.

Pee that is, black gold, Aussie pee.

Well the first thing you know ol Tas's a millionaire,
The kinfolk said "Tas move away from there"
Said "Mate, Californy is the place you ought to be"
So they loaded up the plane and they moved to Beverly

(I am beginning to think this forum is driving me crazy)

Yes it is a very good idea for those that do care about having some extra income,
to carry more than one egg in the basket.

You can't wipe up the milk if there is none spilt. So as I have stated in regards to PayPal,
why worry about it? How many times per year, every year, do we need to read topics like
this concerning PayPal and ClixSense?

Well of course PayPal can do what it wants. Like I said twenty years ago, if you want to
make money online, best do it now. If you want to be concerned about something, you
might want to worry about what will happen after the internet goes under government
rules/restrictions...or worse.

PayPal has always and does always go through wash outs from time to time. It may be
traffic exchanges and a few months later it might be doublers and a few months later it
might be lead systems and a few months later it might be ma and paw stores that get
complaints and a few months later it might be bux programs, and so on.

The thing that you really might want to know when considering dishing out money to
programs that utilize PayPal is the following question:

Has PayPal Approved This Program?

Because 99.9% of programs that offer PayPal are NOT PayPal approved.

The ONLY time that I was ever PayPal approved was when I was accepting a lot of
money. $500 payments and paying out a lot of money but I had an LLC company
and the number 1 MLM lawyer in the world. So I made sure that PayPal was
going to at least give me the approval before using them. I never ask for
approval to use PayPal for my traffic exchange or my GPT program, or my
SafeLists, or anything else I used PayPal for....and believe me, over the years
I have owned a lot of various programs online and one company.

Nothing is any different that it has always been:

*Never leave any more money in any payment processor online, that you can't laugh about losing
*Never leave your earnings on the table if you can't laugh about losing it

Believe you me, I have lost a lot so one learns some times, if not, they eventually do the hard way.

cookin2 wrote: This is appropriate? Isn't this a family orientated forum? I thought that sexist comments weren't allowed? And by a moderator no less? I'd report it, but to whom?

Just switch the words 'Bra' and 'boobs' to 'balls'.

Well now, isn't this just the bomb! What a blast of fun! YeeHaw and Whoopie Doo!

That is probably the case, they don't want to deal with it any more.

Just like MLM. In the early days, PayPal accepted all MLM. After a period of time, MLM was
launching every day. They began closing one down and then another and so on as the
complaints flowed in. Now, it is rare to see PayPal accept any MLM, especially any new
MLM. Occasionally you will see an MLM launch with PayPal listed but it doesn't take long
for PayPal to find them out and freeze their account. So even if it is a legitimate good
functioning MLM with great products, they don't want to be bothered with it any more.

So I suspect, they have had enough of the traffic exchanges too. Too many not giving
refunds, too many complaints, and too many scam traffic exchanges.

A lot changed too when PayPal was sold to eBay. That is primarily what they are today.

Whatever the case may be, ClixSense is approved by PayPal and has been for years. If
that ever changes, then I would say they would deal with it the best they can at that time.

Well charez, PayPal has always cut off Traffic Exchanges and more. It doesn't matter how old
they are per se. It depends on how they operate, what type of affiliate structure they have or
implement, how much they charge, if they are operating as a legal program, if they have stopped
paying their affiliates, how many complaints they get, and so on.

PayPal has always acted weird.

Well, I don't know sp because I don't know which traffic exchanges you are referring to or how many?

If a program gets a lot of complaints whether immediate or over time, PayPal has been known to
cut ties or worse.

I'll do a search and see if I can figure out which traffic exchanges you are referring to.

charez wrote: Valarie, did you tried ringplus?

No, did you?

It goes to show that everyone should read and know what will happen IF they do win,
what the limit on winnings are, etc before they drop the coin.

sp1915 wrote: I don't believe it is due to the TM scam. I heard a new law went into effect earlier last month by The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and it appears Paypal is dropping as much risk as it can and making changes.

Well I read what that fellow said about that and that is also what I found very weird, sp1915.

You see, PayPal has almost always focused on reducing risks after their start up years. I was
one of the first people to join PayPal and back in those days, people could just about get away
with anything. Every make money program online used PayPal. I can recall getting paid for
all kinds of crazy junk I joined way back then. After a couple of years, PayPal began to slowly
change. Bit by bit they began weeding out whatever they deemed as scan or simply put 'risky'.
In addition, that fellow mentioned '$50' risk max. Here again, that did not make much since to
me. All banks that I know of, have risk management, scam management, and all sorts of
notifications to allow the user to know when larger monies/purchases are taking place. In addition
to that, people do too from APPS to all sorts of credit protection, etc.

Now in regards to PayPal, I ask you, IS ClixSense a risk?

1. ClixSense has been online for ten years and is PayPal approved

2. ClixSense is free

3. ClixSense does have an almost laughable optional upgrade fee of only $17 per year. There
is absolutely no legal closeness of being illegal nor risky. If they were charging an upgrade of
$200.00, that would be stepping into the illegal scrutiny. Also, most members do not even use
PayPal or any other processor to upgrade. Many simply use their earnings.

4. ClixSense has a refund policy. This is very important. ClixSense does offer refunds on
upgrades and advertising too.

5. ClixSense does not own Task programs. ClixSense does not own survey programs. ClixSense
does not own offers. ClixSense is only responsible for ClixSense.

6. ClixSense is a fine line in regards to what 'some' may refer as having an MLM structure. In
reality, ClixSense only has a finders fee on their free standard membership and even with the
low upgrade option, it is still not forced and has no stoppage across the board with a cut off not
much deeper than a tier program. But here again, there is no risk anyway since the upgrade
fee is optional and only $17 per year and can be paid by way of earnings.

The fact of the matter is, ClixSense does not have any risk at all. $0 risk.

So when you talk about anything else out there online, you are attempting to place ClixSense in
a bag it does not fit in.

In regards to BitCoin, it has already been suggested in the feature request forum but I wouldn't
hold my breath for it to be added.

Yes well you and many others over the course of ten years since ClixSense has been
online, has made very similar comments.

In the early days, ClixSense paid out by check.

At any rate, I don't think I would be too concerned about it.

YES! I had a feeling they would win or at least I was sure hoping they would.

It really was a very exciting game.

Fazimr wrote: Congratulations.
Am a new membersnd i want to know if we are paid yo podt in forum ?

No.