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Bad news for a vaccine - trial on pause!

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#1 by Darkstar2 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:31

I made some predictions a while ago in another topic about the vaccine trials, that there will be road blocks and issues with the trials - well just as predicted, some bad news are coming about vaccine trials. You see this is what happens when vaccines are RUSHED, only this time luckily the issue is detecting during trial and not AFTER mass vaccination - Unlucky for the person in the UK who now has an unknown disease and in serious condition. As per protocol, the vaccine trial from AstraZeneca is paused until they review this case. This will add more doubt and may cause a domino effect - I mean normally in all vaccines there is a low risk of serious complications, but so early in a trial of limited sample is something to worry about. Imagine a vaccine given to millions.........So this is not good news for those who hoped for a vaccine this year, and for Trump of course, who promised one - he is set to lose by a landslide now - Trump WILL lose, why ? There is no vaccine, and new reports show he admits to lying and downplaying the pandemic - Recordings and texts from him show that he KNEW ahead of time the severity of the virus and knew that it was dangerous and far more infectious than the Flu. Whilst he did not necessarily know it would become a pandemic, he did not want to cause panic, but had he locked down sooner and treated it like a threat, maybe things would be different. What a shame that he will lose to an inept adversary though.

As far as vaccines, now Russia is testing in phase 3 (so they say) and China claims to have a vaccine ready for approval. Will China and Russia be transparent if there are any adverse effects ? I don't know, and I would not count on it.......But right now there is at least ONE case with the US vaccine, could the US pharmaceutical be concealing the truth also, could there be more case ? They are not disclosing too much detail on the UK man other than he has an UNKNOWN disease and in grave condition - So trial is paused until they find out more.

Just one more reason to not get COVID19 vaccine, and even a less a vaccine that took months to develop.
I would also definitely not trust Russia's vaccine. They may have gone into space, but they didn't do so in a few months time :lol:

At this point I would not trust any vaccine, and like I said many times, the vaccine will NOT end the pandemic.
It's likely that a vaccine from China will be approved in the coming months - do we know anything about the trial, would they tell the world if there were negative outcomes ? Would ANY pharma in any country reveal the truth ? I'm not so sure. It's likely that a vaccine from Russia and/or China will be approved, and in the US well it doesn't look good, but whatever happens, any vaccine that gets approved does not mean it is safe...it just means that it creates an immune response........it doesn't even mean you are actually immune to the virus, because NONE of the trial have tested the vaccine against the actual live virus.......it's only based on modeling and calculations.

So you can add the New Coronavirus to the list of millions of perpetual viruses circulating.

Time to start reading Brave New World, the lobotomy clinics will open soon..
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#2 by valerie » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:06

Change your name to 'Darkstar2tradamus'.

We'll need to get you some little blue stars or some feathers. Have you a cap?
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#3 by Darkstar2 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 19:20

Lots of things I predicted on the money. I remember when Trump was running in 2016, there was lot of heated discussion around me at the time, at how if he wins, the markets will crash, the economy will tank, people will lose their jobs, etc...........I would always argue that if Trump won, during his entire term the market would be in continuous growth and eventually rally in overvalue territory - and this is what happened essentially - and in November of 2019, when I started hearing of the first few cases in China and elsewhere, I said "This one is going to be a pandemic, and it's not going to be like in 2009, it will be a long one)".

You don't need to be a psychic to make predictions, you just need DATA, logic and patterns / trends. Anybody can make predictions with more than 50% accuracy that way.

I made that predictions about the vaccine bad news, it was easy - Not a psychic, I just used common sense.

You have dozens+ of vaccine trials right now - Vaccines normally take up to a decade, these vaccines are a few MONTHS old, so statistically, there is bound to be AT LEAST 1 of the trials that go bad. You can't fast track a vaccine and never get a single negative outcome.

Next, I predicted on this very forum, China would be the first country to recover whilst the rest of the world crumbles.
Again, this is based on data. The wearing of masks is NOT something that is frowned upon in Asian countries, in fact, some did it long before the pandemic, and they are generally very open to it, and in China, they took the outbreak seriously from day 1 even though they covered up data until months later, they took steps internally to contain the spread, so by this logic, it was easy to predict that China would recover first. Other countries that work on democracy and people's "constitutional freedoms", you have governments making SUGGESTIONS and the population basically turning a deaf ear, result ? collapsing economy, lingering pandemic, too much reliance on a vaccine.

Stock markets will go into correction within the next few months ... EASY prediction, why ? Because this is the time of the year where stocks are volatile and drop, before going back up in the new year - and this year is special, you have the election campaign coming up soon, with the prospect of Socialism and Sharia Law taking over for 4 years thanks to the far left (this is yet to be determined though, now with the latest book reveal, Trump's odds of winning are even slimmer). Sucks - Right now the DOW and markets in general are likely 20-25% higher than they should be - Once Biden the destroyer comes into power, all that changes - tech stocks plummet, and the economy takes a nose dive, because his aim is to save lives and keep people locked up at home until the end, costing millions of jobs, PERMANENT damage to the economy, people's 401k nose diving. Biden is gambling on a very slow recovery starting in 2023 and above - but is the old git thinking about people who are losing their business, losing their jobs, and already in retirement seeing their 401k collapse ?

I also predicted near 0% interest moves from the Feds........ Again an easy prediction. Trump has been up the Fed's arse from the beginning, putting pressure on the feds to lower interests and do whatever it can to save the economy.

Trump did a HORRIBLE job managing this pandemic - BUT, he basically saved America from a depression, and the economy is on fast recovery thanks to him...........people say "But at the cost of lives ?" REALLY, that is bullshit from Democrats - because the actual Influenza kills over 50,000 Americans every year, and kills half a million world wide.... You cannot keep people locked up forever and businesses closed forever. So Americans who will vote for Biden, will likely regret their decisions once they see their nest egg nose dive, and the number of businesses that close, bankruptcies rise, loss of jobs, and an already fragile economy plummeting, with delayed recovery going on 2023-2024 and beyond.

NOW even though I would not trust Russia or China for a vaccine, my inner crystal ball is showing me that China's vaccine will get approval and support as expected.

It's difficult to predict much beyond that, the virus is so volatile, but if relying on science, it's easy to predict that a vaccine will not immediately end the pandemic - and based on how viruses work, it's likely more than unlikely, that this new coronavirus will be seasonal - it will never drop down to 0 cases, because statistically, 100% vaccination is impossible, so there will be daily cases, BUT the aim will be to keep those cases so low that they are not a threat, and even though more infectious than the Flu, the aim from world leaders will be to keep numbers LOW, and not down to 0.

This pandemic is likely to trail for most of 2021. There are 2 outcomes: 1) It will trail for most of 2021 up to the summer time or 2) It will trail for most of 2021, easing off towards late summer, and leveling off to low residual levels by Q1-2022.

I will make another prediction - soon we will hear in the news about another vaccine trial that is paused.

People should start thinking about forgetting this stupid vaccine - it's not a miracle solution - people have to stop acting like we are not in a pandemic - wear masks in public, apply sanitary measures, wash the hands properly, keep distance, avoid crowds, avoid high risk activities......THIS is what will end the pandemic, not some poison vaccine that is rushed and tested on 30,000-40,000 people.

and people who think an effective and safe vaccine will be released before elections, are truly delusional. If one is released, then it will be due to lobbying and pressure (corruption).........Right now some Pharmaceuticals have pledged NOT to give in to the pressures of the governments. Yeah until they flash the right amount of $, things change :D
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#4 by valerie » Wed Sep 09, 2020 21:40

I have a different take on things in regards to predictions.

If you read the Bible, you can have a pretty good guess at how near we are to the end.

Trump did what he was suppose to do according to the Bible. He was chosen by God, I
do believe. His focus was on Israel and Trump did what other presidents professed to do
but never did. If people were to study and go back in USA history, they we see far far far
worse presidents then Trump.

My prediction is, if Trump loses, Biden wins, Biden dies, and that old crazy gal he chose
for his vice presidency will become president. Talk about crap blowing in the wind, it will
be thick.

In regards to vaccines, well yeah, a lot of failures no doubt.
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#5 by reenathakkur » Wed Sep 09, 2020 22:23

I hope Russia successful in vaccine.this covid19 not good for long term. In India within 24 hr 95k new cases comes and it increasing day by day. V sad
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#6 by valerie » Thu Sep 10, 2020 05:47

A big issue India has is with their high rate of violence against women.
Much of that is coming back to bite them. I hope that all men that rape women, die a slow
death from covid-19.
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#7 by Darkstar2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 07:48

valerie wrote: I have a different take on things in regards to predictions.

If you read the Bible, you can have a pretty good guess at how near we are to the end.

I have read, a very long time ago, and I try not to use that as a baseline for predictions as there are so many interpretations. Also the bible never gives dates, we are not meant to know any dates and "near" is very subjective. By end times, it could be "near" meaning in a thousand years or million years, but if relying on scripture, we will ALL experience it, as we shall all resurrect, so in essence, nobody can escape end times, whether it happens in a thousand or million years. The only thing I have always wondered, how would it work out for those who get cremated ?

However, if relying on scripture alone, yes it is obvious we are in Tribulations, but are we in end times ? In my opinion there is still lots to go, and in any case it doesn't matter, we will all be there when it happens ;) Look at all the civil unrest, look at al the conjugal violence, own family members killing one another, rivalry, church scandals, climate change, devastating weather patterns, plagues & diseases (pandemics), etc. In my opinion one can use the bible as reference for what state we are in, though not for specific events.

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Trump did what he was suppose to do according to the Bible. He was chosen by God, I
do believe. His focus was on Israel and Trump did what other presidents professed to do
but never did. If people were to study and go back in USA history, they we see far far far
worse presidents then Trump.

So true - indeed, he is far from being the worst, a little bit of history check is all it takes. People only look at one variable in regards to Trump - he is outspoken, he doesn't hide his feelings, he calls you out and he says what he means, means what he says, Trump is all business, and he has the ability to keep businesses happy. BUT........ I think Trump made some mistakes - For one, the trade war with China. As much as the whole world has some gripe with China for whatever reason, any tensions with China or other big economies rattles business and investor confidence. No investor or business wants conflicts with China - remember, in the end it's not about one's own emotions, but it's about MONEY and BUSINESS. Trump means well by doing what's good for America, and ideally WE in North America (US / Canada, ...) should build our own factories and stop relying on China. REALITY, this is not happening anytime soon due to labour costs - it would kill business, because I'm not sure Ameicans or Canadians would be willing to spend 100x more to buy the very same products - So result ? Any type of trade tension is bad for the economy, regardless on whether it is meant for the good. Luckily for Trump the trade war didn't hurt him much, though it did cause some volatility in the markets, at least he follows the market and sentiment, and has made some compromises to reach a preliminary trade deal.......... BUT now Trump is so mad at China, and I am on his side 100% on this, I won't get into the reasons why he is mad, because some people here seem to defend dictator led regimes, corruption and facts, and the very same people who downplay and claim the pandemic is fake - I'm sorry but such people who deny this pandemic as real should face criminal prosecution (that's for another topic). One thing though, I hope Trump will put his anger aside and NOT focus his 2nd term on China sanctions and conflicts, not yet, that will hurt the economy BADLY and stall any recovery for the years to come.

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My prediction is, if Trump loses, Biden wins, Biden dies, and that old crazy gal he chose
for his vice presidency will become president. Talk about crap blowing in the wind, it will
be thick.

ahahaha Trump will be grinning from ear to ear - the world won't hear the end of it, yeah this would be catastrophe scenario, I can't believe Americans are supporting Biden, yikes, under normal circumstances, this should be an EASY WIN for Trump - he should win by a landslide, so you see, Americans are voting with emotions - they are blaming the pandemic on Trump - Let's see what happens when their Sleepy (and sloppy) Joe wins and their 401k drops 30-40%.

Let's see now, what if vaccines exist and cures exists but companies are withholding it until AFTER the election. What if some countries are holding back until after election. Biden wins, and all of a sudden Russia releases a flood of data on its vaccines - China releases a flood of data on vaccines, both countries' vaccines are approved and vaccination starts as early as January 2021, Biden comes across as the big hero........... This is a good one for conspiracy theorists out there to chew on :mrgreen:
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#8 by Darkstar2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 07:55

reenathakkur wrote: I hope Russia successful in vaccine.this covid19 not good for long term. In India within 24 hr 95k new cases comes and it increasing day by day. V sad

The CDC/WHO has repeatedly asked Russia to release data and studies, to which Russia turns a deaf ear - SO are we supposed to take Russia seriously ?

China's BionTech (sp?) has a vaccine nearing approval as well, BUT both Russia and China don't want Trump to win, so they will IMO use politics, to further delay / stall things.

No matter which country releases a vaccine so soon, I won't take it nor trust it. Vaccines must go through years of studying and testing to prove LONG TERM safety - I cannot stress the term LONG TERM enough.

BTW speaking of China, I would not trust any vaccine coming from there unless it was independently reviewed and tested - WHY ? Because there has been so many recalls of medicine produced in China, for containing cancer causing ingredients....This is *FACT* - Particularly blood pressure medications, many lots were recalled, there is a listing on the FDA's web site. Tainted supplies coming from China and India. Some lots of popular blood pressure meds were recalled. So this is why any vaccine / meds coming out of China, Russia, India should be scrutinised - This is not to say that there aren't dangerous and unsafe drugs produced in Canada and US, there are..... BUT the incidences are far less as there is better / more control.
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#9 by aryanraj150 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 08:17

valerie wrote: A big issue India has is with their high rate of violence against women.
Much of that is coming back to bite them. I hope that all men that rape women, die a slow
death from covid-19.

I am sorry to say but where are you getting the fake News, India is one and only place in the World where Women is not only respected but worshiped.

We Indians follow the Shlokas of Manusmriti (3.56), Where it has been written thousand of years ago.

यत्र नार्यस्तु पूज्यन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवताः ।(Sanskrit)

Where Women is worshiped God lives there. (Translated)
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#12 by wildbillhickok » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:50

I think that all vaccines may potentially trigger some condition on specific individulas.

Even when they declare the vaccine safe I'm pretty there is still a very very small possibilty, let's say 0.1 percent, of some group of people developing something.

The fact that they stopped trails to investigate something isn't that big of a deal.
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#13 by valerie » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:04

In regards to India high violence of rape, just the other day an 86 year old Indian woman
was raped by a young Indian man. She was waiting on the milk man by the road and a
man came along and told her the milk man would not be there that day but he knew where
she could get milk. She trusted him and went with him and he raped her. Fortunately someone
heard her screams and cries and he was caught straight away. She was hospitalized with
multiple bruises and vaginal bleeding.

I have read a lot about the high violence rape to women and also watched live documentaries
on India prisons in which over one third of the prisoners are sentenced with a rape charge.
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#14 by valerie » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:47

@Darkstar2 and whomever else reads this.

We are NOT in tribulation.

Tribulation does not begin until AFTER the rapture.

Oh yes, the Bible is the absolute best at predictions and it is very literal.

So although we are living in perilous times, we are NOT in tribulation. Not yet.

God places leaders, all throughout the Bible, where He wants them to be. This is
part of God's plan. Trump is part of God's plan. We know this because the Bible
has told us so. This goes all the way back to the book of Genesis when God made
the covenant with Abraham. The Israel land belongs to the JEWS.

Trump will win the peace prize due to his actions taken with Israel. No other USA
president has.

It's very important to not read the Bible but to understand it and how the stories
and details come together over the books within.

You will know when tribulation begins. The tribulation consist of 7 years. The
church will be gone.

It goes like this:

Rapture: This is the time God's people will be called to Heaven. Like a thief in the
night. You've heard that before 'like a thief in the night'. One will be taken and
one left behind. All those in Christ will be taken up in the air to heaven. The dead
shall rise also that are in Christ.

Tribulation: Lasts 7 years. This is important to realize those in Christ do NOT go
through tribulation. They are already gone. They went up in the air to be with
Christ in heaven. During tribulation there will be much turmoil unlike anything the
world has ever seen. Mark of the beast on our foreheads or back of our hands in
order to buy and sell. So during this time, if you are unfortunate to be here, you
have a second chance. Do not take the mark of the beast and glorify God and
Christ to save your soul.

Second Coming of Christ: Jesus died for our sins because we all come short to the
glory of God. He will return again to take up those that were given a second chance
and did not take the mark of the beast. This is where many people become confused
with the rapture and the second coming. These are different events. This is the
third event in the sequence. This is an act of judgement or mercy (if you will). Th

Millenium: New Heaven and New Earth: This is the confusing areas, at least it is to
me.

You can look at the Galileans to understand a lot of Revelation. It's important to know
that Jesus was a Galilean. If you look at the old Galilean rituals, you have proof of
what Christ is saying and what it means. For example, the Galileans had a unique
ritual for wedding. The whole village would turn out when a man ask a woman for
marriage. If she accepted the chalice of wine the answer was yes. After this, they
would not see each other again for at least one year. During this time, the groom
would build and prepare an addition onto HIS FATHER's HOUSE to make ready for
his bride. The to be bride would gather materials for her wedding dress and for her
bride maids. THE TIME TO MARRY WAS NOT KNOWN BY ANYONE. Only the FATHER
of the groom would say when the time was ready. BRIDE AND GROOM STAYED
READY, SLEPT READY, WERE ALWAYS READY FOR THE GO AHEAD. Then in the MIDDLE
of the NIGHT, the father of the groom would say GO FETCH YOUR BRIDE....and the
groom would jump up and bells would toll and whole town would turn out for the
wedding.

So what we have here is 'thief in the night', 'collecting the bride', preparing the
fathers house'. All these things are Galilean tradition and the same attributes as
in our end of times. We must be ready because we don't know the hour. We know
the father in heave is preparing a place for us. So when everything's ready and
our father in heaven gives the go ahead, we want to be His bride, in the rapture.

I hope I explained that well enough. :mrgreen:
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#16 by Arvind9 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 15:18

I hope you are fine friend not loosing your way,or the effects of lockdown are telling ?
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#17 by Darkstar2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 16:36

wildbillhickok wrote: I think that all vaccines may potentially trigger some condition on specific individulas.

Even when they declare the vaccine safe I'm pretty there is still a very very small possibilty, let's say 0.1 percent, of some group of people developing something.

The fact that they stopped trails to investigate something isn't that big of a deal.

No it's more than 0.1 % :mrgreen: It's true that all vaccines carry risks, even existing ones, there are usually mild side effects, and in RARE cases, severe complications. So far it was reported 1 UK man got an unknown illness and grave complications - they did not disclose what they were (transparency my arse !) and no news on what triggered it.
What is of concern is that out of such small sample there is even a case - if you give this dose to hundreds of billions, who knows what will happen. The goal for vaccine makers is to keep grave complications at the lowest % possible. I don't remember what were the statistics for each vaccine, but usually they are in the very low single digits.

But here's the thing - in regards to COVID19 vaccine, you risks of complications if you DO get infected with the virus far outweigh the risks from a vaccine, especially if you are past a certain age and have existing conditions (obesity, asthma, COPD, any type of lung disease, HBP, diabetes, etc....). The problem is NOT temporary effects from a vaccine. The problem is for people who get permanent conditions from a vaccine, new diseases that stick and cripple them for the rest of their life - those again, should be in very low %. There is no vaccine EVER with 0% risk. In fact, you even have risks when you go to the dentist to get fillings - and the risks are higher. Same when you get surgery and are put under anesthesia, far bigger risks there, especially as you age.

The issue with RUSHED vaccines is that they can only test for how effective they are at triggering the body's immune response - BUT they tell absolutely NOTHING on whether they will protect you against COVID19 and for how long, since they are not using the virus and they are not infecting people on the trial, so no way to know. So these studies are LIMITED in scope - and do not test the LONG TERM effects of the vaccines. Just watch, few months down the road all the complications and cases from the vaccines and recalls - it WILL happen - it happened before. BUT we are dealing with a highly infectious virus here, one that if it sends you to the hospital and in a comma and respirator, the outcomes are not always good - you either will spend months there struggling and holding on to life, or you will croak and be another casualty of the virus.

This vaccine from AstraZenica is paused, but watch out for the big money interest - this could be just a publicity stunt to show the world at how a pharmaceutical cares and follows through their engagement to transparency - in a few weeks, days, hours, who knows, the study will continue - There are trillions of $ at play here - the grave side effects from vaccines will be known not DURING the trial, but when they give hundreds of millions of doses - but it's ok, the CEOs will already have deposited their millions $ bonuses, and if they quit or get fired, they will get an extra $60 million bonus, sure no problem, + life time company pension + + +! So big pharmas win either way - they already have enough money reserve contingency plans to cover their bums - and I bet you that most of them don't even get their own vaccines. I seem to recall an undercover camera taping some pharma worker saying that he would not give this "shit" to their kids or family.

BUT whatever you hear and read - vaccines have saved millions of lives on earth - and it has put major outbreaks at rest. Unfortunately vaccines have also killed and crippled people, but let's see now, without vaccines, the world would have 50% more insects, and far less humans, and we'd be living in a pool of viruses and outbreaks all year long.

Problem is now companies are fast, cut corners and want more money, so the safety factor diminishes. I 'm sorry but a vaccine that took months to produce on a virus that is new and similar to another virus to which no vaccine was ever found, I have a problem with that.
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#18 by Darkstar2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 16:38

Arvind9 wrote: I hope you are fine friend not loosing your way,or the effects of lockdown are telling ?

:lol: ....it has crossed that bridge :P
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#19 by Darkstar2 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 17:18

valerie wrote: @Darkstar2 and whomever else reads this.

We are NOT in tribulation.

Tribulation does not begin until AFTER the rapture.

Oh right of course, it's been a long time, indeed, I guess I meant Revelations or whatever parts that discuss about plagues, unrest, brother against brother, sister against sister, etc...etc... As far as Rapture I heard stories that this may have already occurred :mrgreen:

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God places leaders, all throughout the Bible, where He wants them to be. This is
part of God's plan. Trump is part of God's plan. We know this because the Bible
has told us so. This goes all the way back to the book of Genesis when God made
the covenant with Abraham. The Israel land belongs to the JEWS.

Trump will win the peace prize due to his actions taken with Israel. No other USA
president has.

So I guess Biden is the AntiChrist then (he sure looks like one anyway) add some horns on each side for more effect ;)

Well God has a strange way of doing things sometimes, because it is obvious to me that Trump will lose, and very VERY sadly, NOT because his opponent is better - because people are not happy with Trump's eccentric ways and how the pandemic was managed - they were so happy when Trump inflated their 401ks, but now that shit hits the fan with this pandemic, oh now suddenly everything is Trump's fault - the pandemic, Trumps fault, if it's raining, it's Trump fault, if someone slips on a banana peel on the sidewalk, it's Trump's fault. Well good luck with Biden for the next 4 perilous, disastrous years, and he's 77, nowadays people live to 100 and more, God help us ALL IF he bites the dust and the other one takes over, it's gonna make Obama look very competent :lol: So here's the deal, Biden wins by a landslide, rapture happens shortly after and great tribulations begin :mrgreen:

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You will know when tribulation begins. The tribulation consist of 7 years. The
church will be gone.

That's already starting - there are some Churches closing here, far less people attending , Church ridden in scandals, I also like the Nostradamus predictions because a lot of similarity with what is happening today.....

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It goes like this:

Rapture: This is the time God's people will be called to Heaven. Like a thief in the
night. You've heard that before 'like a thief in the night'. One will be taken and
one left behind. All those in Christ will be taken up in the air to heaven. The dead
shall rise also that are in Christ.

Yes that part I read in the scripture. I do not think people understand the TRUE meaning of "those in Christ", that's the tricky part, you can BELIEVE in something, but you might not be eligible. One thing that I do not understand though, if all the dead will be raised, what about those who were cremated ? We shall all rise to attend the final show, but are those who were cremated condemned ? Here, where the mafia controls the industry of the dead, a plain vanilla package and burial could run you $30k-$40k if not more, whereas cremation, at most a few thousands, maybe in the $2k+ HUGE difference, so more and more people are taking that route. Entire family lots and burials can be VERY costly for the family nest egg, and cremation is now allowed, but it is not a topic that is brought up in the Bible, so people have made their own interpretations. So if the dead is raised from the grave, what about cremated people ? Basically, your body decomposes in a grave, and all that is left are your bones, so one could assume that God will give you a body, maybe your own, maybe another, who knows, these things are not gone into much details in the Bible. Perhaps another way of interpreting things, is that you won't LITERALLY just wake up in your crypt and dig your way out of the grave site and walk free :lol: Maybe this passage is cryptic - maybe souls will find new bodies through reincarnation - so I guess this would make sense and apply for those who were cremated as well.

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Tribulation: Lasts 7 years. This is important to realize those in Christ do NOT go
through tribulation. They are already gone. They went up in the air to be with
Christ in heaven. During tribulation there will be much turmoil unlike anything the
world has ever seen. Mark of the beast on our foreheads or back of our hands in
order to buy and sell. So during this time, if you are unfortunate to be here, you
have a second chance. Do not take the mark of the beast and glorify God and
Christ to save your soul.

I remember this passage like it's yesterday - yes if you refuse the mark of the beast, you will be killed, but again
is it meant literally, or just means you are doomed. We could have already accepted the mark of the beast somehow.
People are using credit cards and contactless payment methods. People are using digital wallets, and paying with their smartphones. You don't need chips implanted on your forehead - people have smartphones and smart credit cards.
Cash is disappearing quickly, some stores have banned it. So it's very hard now to live a life without digital payment methods and chips. Even the traditional subway and bus tickets are replaced with chips.

So again, it is very hard to accept that a loving God would punish a believer because they choose to use their chipped CC over cash, when MONEY in general is source of evil. So by mark of the beast, it could be referring to a number of things - you are basically betraying God for an AntiChrist figure. I do not think God would condemn those who use digital wallets over paper money, it's more like not bowing down to the one world dictator / hero like figure who will run the world soon. One thing for sure, there is no way ANY chip will get inside me, they will have to kill me first, no chip implants for me, and I'm certainly not going to fall for some AntiChrist - BUT....it's tricky, even the most believing can be tricked into falling for IT. It is also hard to believe that a loving God will condemn 99% of the world population and save 1% - let's face it, in order to be eligible for this Rapture or be with God, you really would have to be near perfect - who has followed the 10 commandments to the T ? Who has genuinely asked for forgiveness ? You can't just confess sins and ask for forgiveness and just repeat the same crap over and over - you also cannot just ask for forgiveness because you know that you will be saved if you do - so by definition most of the world is doomed. In my opinion I think DOOMED is a big word - some people may be doomed - Some people will fast track to heaven or whatever, and most people will just come back through reincarnation and live this shitty life over and over until they become pure enough to qualify - until the FINAL JUDGEMENT DAY, where you will have no more chances to redeem yourself.

BUT God created us - he gave us free will, but he intentionally made us "UNPERFECT" - so it is human nature to become angry, to fight, to want revenge, and to sin, otherwise God would have created perfect human beings. But how can you expect human beings to follow a strict rule book inside such a tainted environment - I guess God is forgiving, and gave this choice to humans - BUT apparently just asking forgiveness for sin is not enough.

I strongly believe in reincarnation - and this is the thing, you never know what kind of future life you will get. You may end up having a far worse life than you do now, or a better one, but given the situation on this planet, the odds don't look too good - this is why basically people committing suicide are not ending all their problems - they are just hitting the reboot switch - they may find themselves in the same or worse predicament . Apparently we are in a ultra deep black void for a long time before we come back - a black void that is blacker than any black we have ever seen, blacker than pitch black, so it's scary, just the thought of being suspended in black nothing. I also have my concerns on cremation, that our soul might still be "tagged" to our body at the time - maybe some souls don't quite leave their body yet, because they either are in denial or do not accept to move on to the other side............
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#20 by valerie » Thu Sep 10, 2020 17:52

The body and the soul, are two different entities. The body dies but the soul does not.

Where the soul goes when the body dies, is 'the' question. Lots of theories on that.

Well, when Jesus rose from the dead, he was not buried nor was he cremated. He was
placed on a slab in a cave and seal by a boulder. One might refer to it as a crypt today.
He rose from the dead.

So here again, we want to keep in mind that Jesus was a Jew, a Galilean. The thing to
do would be research in how the old Galileans treated their dead. Keep in mind also that
Jesus was condemned to death, persecuted, so we would have to keep that in sync too.
It all would tie together. A lot can be learned by understanding how the Galileans lived,
and treated their dead.

No matter what you may hear, keep in mind that Bible truly is very literal. When it is
stated mark of the beast on the forehead and back of hand, that is what it means. We
don't know yet what the mark of the beast is. Could it be 666 or could it be some sort
of symbol for 666 or could it be simply coded chip? We don't know and hopefully we
will never know.

Well being killed is the easy way. If you don't take the mark of the beast, it's doubtful
you would be killed. Instead, you would suffer. You would not be able to buy food. You
might watch your children cry out for food. You might watch your family starve. Starving
is a hard way to go. You might be tortured in some way.

There is different beliefs on sin. In the Bible, it tells us ALL of us have come short to the
glory of God. We are ALL sinners. That's why God sent his son to die on the cross. He
died on the cross to forgive us of our sins. It's more than a belief system. It's a faith
system. We can believe our shoes are black. We can believe an apple is red. We can
believe in the sun and the moon. But do we have faith in those things? NO. There's no
faith there. The moon may fall, the sun may burn out, the apple may rot, the shoes may
wear out. BUT we did believe in them didn't we? Sure. But we never had faith in them.
God and Christ is what we have faith in. We have faith because it goes way beyond a
belief system. Belief is a system in and of itself. Belief can be good and it can be bad.
Faith on the other hand only goes one way. Believing is simply an attitude. Faith is truth.
That's how I look at it. When you have faith in God's word, you are focused on the word.
A child does not like to disappoint his parents. A child is to obey his parents. We are all
children of God so we need to understand His word and focus on obeying Him. We do
that by faith, repentance, and obeying.

No, I don't believe in reincarnation and I do not have faith in it.
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