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#21 by Darkstar2 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 20:43

valerie wrote: Well, this is my opinion and it's worth a whole lot to me....

That's what I love to hear and read, it takes more people like that who will stand strong by their opinions, regardless of the degrading and inflammatory remarks of others who misinterpret and seek conflict. in Western world we have something called liberty of expression and we can disagree with one another without the personal shoving match as done by some people who's mission is to bash people with bold opinions, because probably in their countries they are used to a culture where such opinions can get them in trouble.Then make themselves credible victims once the person they attacked calls them out. Typical. If debates and discussions were limited to the topics and not those attacks, we would not have this kind of situation here. Those who cannot handle bold opinions should ignore and skip through, those who can handle back and forth heated debates regardless of who is right or wrong, all the best.

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God says 'revenge is mine'. God is to be loved and feared. He is the father. So
just as your father that you love, you may punish you when you do something
wrong, our Father in Heaven can punish us, if He so chooses to do so.

Sure, but do you also think sometimes, why would a LOVING God not punish those who need punished, why should the whole world be plunged into a pandemic ? Why should innocent die ? Why not go after evil people ? Well sometimes I believe there is contradiction, God loves ALL equal and forgives those who believe and who ask for it,
If God was about revenge and punishment, then why are there so many evil people in the world who get it easy and some innocent GOOD people have it hard ? Isn't that all about the "FREE WILL" part ? As far as the punishment and all, isn't that something that is reserved during the final judgment ? Otherwise humans are left FREE to sin or to obey, FREE WILL. Do you believe that God created this world pandemic? I would say that this is quite different to the other plagues you referred to. The virus started in one country, it was not taken seriously and due to travel in and out, it has started spreading around the world, it became a pandemic because of many countries not being ready for one or taking proper step to seal and quarantine EARLY and take drastic measures as it was the case in China. I do agree with you God can do and undo anything, but clearly by what is happening around the world, there are things that are human created. This pandemic could have been avoided, I am confident on that.

Pedophiles, murderers, serial killers, some of the worst criminals in the world are probably still alive now - whilst innocent people lose loved ones to this virus.

We'll all be judged one day, not now, now so for now we have free will on our actions. I think of it this way, God created a base platform that is life.....Humans created pollution, industrialisation, technology, and most other things.

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Who put the organism in the bat thousands of years ago that one day would be
released upon earth in people as the coronavirus? Did free will do that? Did
evolution do that? Did God do that? Did the devil do that? Perhaps more
importantly is who allowed the organism to be released?

Science and studies show that this virus was in the wild, it would never have become a pandemic had it remained there. Humans facilitated its proliferation through illegal markets in many countries. If God wanted to punish us all he would have created something in the air or an event that would shake the whole world. This pandemic ? This virus ? It could have been much better contained. No matter who put the virus in bats or whatever animals, had humans left those animals in the wild where they belong, we would not be having this discussion - and for those who claim I know better all the time, this is not my OPINION, I never claim to have, this is SCIENCE, I go by science and medicine,
The world had ALL the warnings about this virus - whether it was revealed late or not, this could have been contained and prevented. This pandemic was facilitated through world travel.

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Never under estimate God. God can punish His children and God has punished
His children time and time again.

I believe the punishment will come later, one day, unless they repent, in the proper way. The reason I feel this way is because of what is going on around the world. You see the rich, the greedy, the selfish evil people have it easy and make all the good money and success, whilst you see many good people with good hearts struggle, get diseases and live in poverty no matter how hard they try. What about the hard criminals who commit serial crimes time and time again, do you think everyone gets caught ? No, you have scammers and fraud artists, organised crime individuals earning a boat load of money and getting away with it whilst most people have to work everyday.
Where is the punishment ? According to scripture our judgment will come, and no matter how bad or how many sins, it can all be wiped if we repented and asked for forgiveness, isn't that what the scriptures teach ? No arguments that God CAN do anything, but I believe we were meant to go through turmoil in this life, and firmly believe that God does not punish evil on this planet, at least not for now anyway, or don't you think we would be living in a different situation altogether ?

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I do believe we'll see a vaccine for this awful virus, this year. I do hope so.
I don't know that God put the virus upon us. I don't know that God will save
us from it. I am sure of one thing, God can do whatever He wants. That's
why He is God.

Trial for a vaccine will begin later this year hopefully by September, according to the big pharmas, mass vaccination would likely be in Q1-2021. In my opinion I would not be optimistic for that timeline, but no doubt there will be a vaccine, the timeline for a vaccine to become available is 12 to 18 months according to the Pharmas.
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#22 by Darkstar2 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 20:50

splat44 wrote: I totally agree about prayers not killing virus, It's really the hearts of human that's need changing!

That's why it's important praying for leaders from all over regardless of their wills!

Believe me or not, I am not arguing with you anymore!

Darkstar2 wrote: Praying won't kill the virus - God has given free will - People praying to ASK God to exterminate the virus are going to be disappointed, because this is not how things work and not what prayers are meant for - You can pray for yourself or others and in help in getting through these difficult times - but ideally only the right actions of humans will help stop this virus.

I am open to debate, heated or not, what I am not open to is personal attacks. I don't believe we've ever had bad arguments, it's give and take. You just said so yourself, you totally agree about prayers not killing virus. This pandemic is our punishment for not taking it seriously despite all the warnings and for not being prepared
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#23 by Darkstar2 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 21:00

chandramohanancc wrote: Most doctors are greedy and selfish according to my view .But there are few who work with the desire to save the humanity. Others just do the job just for popularity and money. Praying along with proper treatment sure has strong power to heal an ailment

Maybe some of these doctors are selfish and greedy because of the big pharmas that pay them big money and give them gifts for prescribing drugs. How many of all those billions of prescriptions around the world were really needed ? How many people are taking drugs they they really shouldn't be, creating more harm than good. No doubt, I agree 100% with you, there are many corrupt doctors who work for the "big pharmas" and "hospitals" and "shareholders" first and foremost, and patient last. I would think that there are doctors who have refused big sums of money from pharmas and actually CARE for their patients . When you have a public healthcare system, doctors work with limited resources, there are rules in place, but otherwise without that system basically hospitals are taking advantage of insurance, charging colossal and absurd amounts for medical treatment, and these hospitals basically stay afloat from money interests (investors, patient money, etc.) so more incentive for ordering unneeded tests, prescribing unnecessary drugs, surgeries, etc. How many surgeries could be avoided with lifestyle changes and custom made diet plans, many, but there again surgery brings in the big money $$$$$.

You can see proof of big pharmas running the game, in North America, we see many commercials on TV for drugs, you will see and hear the message "ask your doctor about it" - this is a new trend and been like that for so many years. Big ads on TV pushing those drugs. Doctors get a good cut off these pharmas. Luckily some doctors refuse gifts, bribes, etc.
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#24 by suraraj » Tue Mar 31, 2020 21:46

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#25 by valerie » Wed Apr 01, 2020 08:11

God does and does not intervene in our lives.

You're missing the important point. God can do what He wants to do. His reasons
are beyond our pitiful knowledge.

Sin reigns.

ALL people are sinful. No matter how sin free anyone professes to be, they are
sinful.

Sin is sin. One sin is no greater than another.

You said 'why should innocent die?'. In our world, we have the word 'innocent'
just like we have the word 'nothing' but in reality, these words are just that,
words. There is ALWAYS something and there is NEVER innocence.

Everyone comes short to the glory of God. Everyone. This is why God sent His
son to die on the cross for us. Jesus shed His blood so that everyone that believes
in Him will have ever lasting life.

'Let anyone without sin, cast the first stone'. Everyone is sinful.

'Good' people will go to hell. There are a lot of good people that do not believe in Him.
And just because you are good, does not mean you are free of sin. The word 'good'
is another one of those words we humans use to define bad.

No, punishment is not reserved. Heaven and Hell is.

Sin caused the virus. If the devil did not reign Adam and Eve would probably still
be enjoying the garden today and we would probably not exist. So whether the
virus came from a rat, a bat, a bug, a dung, it is because sin exists in the world.
There is no way that I personally can say where the virus came from. However,
from what science has relayed, I can assume it came from a particular species of
bat that lives in that area of China. The bat has carried that organism for no
telling how many hundreds or thousands of years. The organism has evolved
over that time to a stage that was released into the world. Through exactly
what means it was released, I don't think anyone knows. Maybe someone ate
the bat and the organism was released to that person which then spread. Or
maybe the organism was released by someone handling the bat either dead or
alive. Or maybe someone was bit by the bat.
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#26 by Hasan00 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 09:36

I want to share my opinion. if there was a god there, there would be no people starving. or different things. I don't believe any god. because in earth religion is a trade. If there was a god there, nothing bad would happen. so according to beliefs god planed all things (with bad things example like virus, so god isnt good. (If there is...) And god cant help us about virus because there is no any god. a good god does not create virus. If god there, this god is bad.. so who can belive a bad god? or gods? nothing.
just religion create by people. So you can use all people.
I want explain with detail but my english not enought. But
I can make suggestions. You can watch this man, I love that animations, very beautifully prepared. Some videos may be inappropriate...
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#27 by Hasan00 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 14:03

Hasan00 wrote: I want to share my opinion. if there was a god there, there would be no people starving. or different things. I don't believe any god. because in earth religion is a trade. If there was a god there, nothing bad would happen. so according to beliefs god planed all things (with bad things example like virus, so god isnt good. (If there is...) And god cant help us about virus because there is no any god. a good god does not create virus. If god there, this god is bad.. so who can belive a bad god? or gods? nothing.
just religion create by people. So you can use all people.
I want explain with detail but my english not enought. But
I can make suggestions. You can watch this man, I love that animations, very beautifully prepared. Some videos may be inappropriate...

Hello valerie :) I think you don't like my opinion.. Anyone can leave a link here as I see
anyway If someone wants look youtube channel--> darkmatter2525
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#28 by valerie » Wed Apr 01, 2020 15:56

Links are not allowed.

Read the forum rules.
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#29 by Hasan00 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 16:20

valerie wrote: Links are not allowed.

Read the forum rules.

I want mean, I saw many links in forum example screenshot
So Can you remove all screenshot links from forum please?
Please look with detail in ''general talk'' you can find that links.
I like to help...
edit: not only screen shot links, ''please read the forum''
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#30 by Hasan00 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 16:30

Hasan00 wrote:
valerie wrote: Links are not allowed.

Read the forum rules.

I want mean, I saw many links in forum example screenshot
So Can you remove all screenshot links from forum please?
Please look with detail in ''general talk'' you can find that links.
I like to help...
edit: not only screen shot links, ''please read the forum''

ah what I find.
general talk--> music--> valerie--> youtube.
please follow forum rules... :mrgreen:
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#31 by tasman1 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 17:41

Let us start pray

Dear Bill , Merciful Bill , Mighty Bill

We , your slave and your property
Your humble and wretched souls
We kneel and beg before you
Be Merciful and turn it off , save us
Amen
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#32 by sreejathan » Wed Apr 01, 2020 20:05

Those who believe in pray. Pray a lot as your wishes will be satisfied though after many sufferings. Those who don't believe in prayers be courageous to face all hardshipsNo need of fight on that. Atheist and pessimist are both needed for the modern world
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#33 by valerie » Wed Apr 01, 2020 21:21

Hasan00 wrote:
Hasan00 wrote:
valerie wrote: Links are not allowed.

Read the forum rules.

I want mean, I saw many links in forum example screenshot
So Can you remove all screenshot links from forum please?
Please look with detail in ''general talk'' you can find that links.
I like to help...
edit: not only screen shot links, ''please read the forum''

ah what I find.
general talk--> music--> valerie--> youtube.
please follow forum rules... :mrgreen:

You can post a link to the music you are listening to within the General Talk
in the listed topic.
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#34 by Hasan00 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 03:02

valerie wrote:
You can post a link to the music you are listening to within the General Talk
in the listed topic.

I don't want to have a discussion, but please accept that you are wrong for this issue...
You said frist time ''links are not allowed''.
Does it write anything about the music links in the forum rules? or links are not allowed.
one of the two you say has to be wrong?
Also I find other links without youtube and screenshot links. Different site links in this forum.
Please remove all links.
just I am trying to understand who is wrong.
My request from you, You may being a neutral moderator.
thank you for your understanding... :) :thumbup:
Have a nice day for all...
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#35 by sreejathan » Thu Apr 02, 2020 03:39

I am a new member and I also want to know which links are genuine to be posted I too found links from you tube and other websites links. If forum rules are against those they should be removed
Humans are likely to make mistakes and there is nothing wrong to admit it.This forum should not turn ugly with bad discussioons as happened earlier.
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#36 by valerie » Thu Apr 02, 2020 06:33

Hasan00 wrote:
valerie wrote:
You can post a link to the music you are listening to within the General Talk
in the listed topic.

I don't want to have a discussion, but please accept that you are wrong for this issue...
You said frist time ''links are not allowed''.
Does it write anything about the music links in the forum rules? or links are not allowed.
one of the two you say has to be wrong?
Also I find other links without youtube and screenshot links. Different site links in this forum.
Please remove all links.
just I am trying to understand who is wrong.
My request from you, You may being a neutral moderator.
thank you for your understanding... :) :thumbup:
Have a nice day for all...

I realize you are new and so I am not going to give you a warning.

The moderators use their judgement often and moderators are told to do so.

You are not allowed to place spam here. You are not allowed to place many links to YouTube
videos UNLESS it is listed in the General Talk sub forum within said topic.
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#37 by valerie » Thu Apr 02, 2020 06:34

chandramohanancc wrote: I am a new member and I also want to know which links are genuine to be posted I too found links from you tube and other websites links. If forum rules are against those they should be removed
Humans are likely to make mistakes and there is nothing wrong to admit it.This forum should not turn ugly with bad discussioons as happened earlier.

You should already know since you have been here before.
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#38 by sreejathan » Thu Apr 02, 2020 06:55

No it is my husband who was before here. I just read the forum rules and has not proper understanding of the rules. He helps me in dealing with the tasks and surveys here. He was also unaware of the forum rules and did many mistakes and was banned. But he liked this site and wanted me to join the site by closing his account..He says he was innocent and the forum here was full of fights and heated exchanges and he became a part of it. So now on seeing any such arguments I feel so much worried.It is me now doing the work here. My actual name is sreema
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#39 by splat44 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 13:22

Ok youtube link within said topic is ok. Done!

What about GTP as topic within General talk?
Some youtube contain referral link inside video

I am those kind videos are spam and not allowed, Correct Valerie?

valerie wrote:
Hasan00 wrote:
valerie wrote:
You can post a link to the music you are listening to within the General Talk
in the listed topic.

I don't want to have a discussion, but please accept that you are wrong for this issue...
You said frist time ''links are not allowed''.
Does it write anything about the music links in the forum rules? or links are not allowed.
one of the two you say has to be wrong?
Also I find other links without youtube and screenshot links. Different site links in this forum.
Please remove all links.
just I am trying to understand who is wrong.
My request from you, You may being a neutral moderator.
thank you for your understanding... :) :thumbup:
Have a nice day for all...

I realize you are new and so I am not going to give you a warning.

The moderators use their judgement often and moderators are told to do so.

You are not allowed to place spam here. You are not allowed to place many links to YouTube
videos UNLESS it is listed in the General Talk sub forum within said topic.
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#40 by valerie » Thu Apr 02, 2020 13:34

It's a fine line and I don't always have time to view every video and link
someone posts. So the best thing to do is not post links. In regards to
videos, if there is a complaint about one having promo links in them or
some such as that, I will edit or set for deletion.

It's just like this topic is a fine line. In reality the rules state no political
or religion discussions but as long as members are not beating each other
up, I allow it. If the discussion begins to get heated, I lock it.

I don't care what your belief is. If you believe a worm is your reincarnated
aunt from planet mars, I don't care. Just don't spam, don't start entering
a handful of links, and don't argue and by all means, DON'T tell me what
I can do and what I cannot do.
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