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#1 by valerie » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:58

Kirk Douglas is going to live forever I guess. He is 101 years old!

His wife is 99 years old!
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#2 by Darkstar2 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:09

valerie wrote: Kirk Douglas is going to live forever I guess. He is 101 years old!

His wife is 99 years old!

Sorry but he will not, and nobody will. I honestly do not want to live anywhere near those ages because this is a part of your life where you have one foot in your grave and one foot out. I rather "part" this earth healthy, functional and with dignity. This is not to say all people of that age are unhappy, some are quite healthy actually, but unfortunately this may not be the majority, having witnessed the dire life conditions of people that age, particularly those who are of the non rich class.....How long has he been married ? The fact he is married and managed to live to 101 is in itself quite amazing :lol:
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#3 by valerie » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:52

Kirk Douglas wife is 99 years old and they have been married 63 years.
He was actually married for several years before her.

Well I don't know since I am not that age but I would guess to say that
as long as I can live without pain or having others do everything for me,
I would want to live.

Life is full of great pleasures in simplistic form. Many of which we take
for granted until we do get older.

My grandfather lived to be 93 and it gave him great pleasure to see his
youngest of children become a minister and take over his church. So
there is things such as this that give people great pleasure in their older
days and great joy.

There is all the things like looking at a trees, sky, grass, animals, etc.
Of course, it is great pleasure to this that have children and live long
enough to not only see grand children but great grand children, etc.

In addition there is a great many older people that are very productive.
A lady that was at my house yesterday, is 92 years old. You would think
she was 70 or there bouts. She has been all over the world and helps
feed the poor in many poor areas of the world. She had just returned
from Brazil.

You know what they say, you are as old as you feel.
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#4 by Darkstar2 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:44

valerie wrote:
Well I don't know since I am not that age but I would guess to say that
as long as I can live without pain or having others do everything for me,
I would want to live.

Unfortunately this is a sad reality that many will go through, pain, a growing list of medications, depending on others...... There are bare minimums though I would hate to have to live to a stage where I live in constant pain day and night and where someone else has to wipe my arse - I'd rather sooner with my dignity intact. Unfortunately many people at that age live in dire conditions, sometimes abandoned by their own family, friends and where the system is too expensive in order for them to get decent care. Though some people of a certain age manage to still live in their own home and are not dependent on others, unfortunately it is not the case nowadays. A typical scenario nowadays, sons, daughters "throwing" their elderly parents in some center, because they represent a danger to themselves and/or others and must be taken care of, this to me is the equivalent of throwing them in the garbage. I have unfortunately seen the DIRE conditions at which the elderly live in such centers, and not many people can afford 5 figures monthly to get DECENT care, so yeah it's depressing - and even if you still manage to stay in your home and not depend on others, will eventually come some time where you WILL need help, some folks at an old age are healthier and more active, BUT somehow old catch will catch up - so yeah it's very depressing, which is why I would rather die with my dignity, in those centers they give showers once a week if lucky, sorry but nobody is going to wipe my arse or "wash me", if I am unable to clean myself, feed myself, wash myself, and not have to worry about taking 500 different pain meds sorry but I'd rather be dead. People at those ages that live a quality life are usually rich and famous or have a hefty life saving which can afford them good care in some CLEAN facility where they are properly taken care of like human beings, in dignity, etc. So yeah people s say money is not everything ? That is wrong, it's time for people to rethink and save all the money they can, every bit of it will be useful at a certain stage of life, it can make a difference between sleeping in your own sh** or living with dignity. I could never possibly work in these centers it breaks my heart and I am in tears of what I see........I've personally seen people go through the system and they passed away the first 2 years they were "PUT" in those centers, yet they were ok and doing fine living at home.

If you want proper care here be prepared to spend at least $10,000+ a month ! $1k-$2k will get you put in some dirty dump, eating stale / rancid food and sleeping in your own poop. Some people are alone, have no family and no friends, so at that age nobody will care for them, or by that time most of their family would have passed, so it would be a very unpleasant situation

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Life is full of great pleasures in simplistic form. Many of which we take
for granted until we do get older.

That's so true.

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My grandfather lived to be 93 and it gave him great pleasure to see his
youngest of children become a minister and take over his church. So
there is things such as this that give people great pleasure in their older
days and great joy.

I agree with you there, though for some people in specific situations, there is no purpose or anything to look forward reaching that age, and no this is not isolated cases, these cases exist and are more common because they are not discussed that much in the media - they are covered up by media propaganda and fake news.


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You know what they say, you are as old as you feel.

Well yes and no - some issues are out of your control, once your body gives in and you are in constant excruciating pain, what can you do - you cannot go against physical limitations. I've seen cases of people in their 90's still living at home, cooking, etc, one day they trip and fall from stairs, game over...... they were put in old age centers, and the same year they passed away :( It seems there is a pattern, once you are "removed" from your home and into the "system" you basically have one foot in the grave already. and the "SYSTEM" does not "CARE" to them they are numbers and they are anxiously waiting for vacancy for the next victims :/
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#5 by nursemorph » Wed Aug 22, 2018 21:53

Living to that age and in good health is sometimes down to good genetics, sometimes down to healthy living and, a lot of times, just down to luck (people who live healthy lives ie no drinking or smoking etc die young while people who smoke and drink plenty live long).
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#6 by tasman1 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 22:18

nursemorph wrote: Living to that age and in good health is sometimes down to good genetics, sometimes down to healthy living and, a lot of times, just down to luck (people who live healthy lives ie no drinking or smoking etc die young while people who smoke and drink plenty live long).


Hope You are right my friend

As a strong smoker and drinker I hope to be around here for another 50-60 years [ PS I am over 60 now , you do a mat ]
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#7 by Darkstar2 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 18:32

If it were only based on lifestyle - (too easy I guess) but no, it has to do with genetics and luck apparently all of our life is hard coded into our genes, even luck has its own gene, so no matter if you smoke, drink, have a poor diet, poor lifestyle, won't matter - ok having a good lifestyle HELPS and will reduce your already determined risk factors, but not completely eliminate them. I have seen people live up to 90, yet they smoked, drank and indulged in foods all their life. I have seen people eat all the foods they want and never get fat, even though they don't work out.. I have seen the opposite too, sadly, people who had great lifestyles, exercise, proper nutrition, they had a good life in every sense, yet at an old age they were struck with disease and bad health.
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#8 by valerie » Sun Aug 26, 2018 05:24

Living an unhealthy life style WILL most probable reduce your life span and
often dramatically.
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#9 by lotoole » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:08

My father lived until he was 92. He had a heart attack and thought it was just acid reflux! Throughout his life, he lived on a diet that would have killed most people within a year. He was sort of a walking miracle. Tough old man!
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#10 by Darkstar2 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 07:39

lotoole wrote: My father lived until he was 92. He had a heart attack and thought it was just acid reflux! Throughout his life, he lived on a diet that would have killed most people within a year. He was sort of a walking miracle. Tough old man!

Exactly, which confirms what I mentioned above. Sure if you have unhealthy lifestyles you will greatly increase your RISK factors, but regardless of the risk factors, if you are lucky to have those crazy genetics, you will probably outlive most healthy people around you. There was a documentary on morbid obesity, I believe he was Mexian and they reported that he was probably one of the worst cases reported in the world. His doctors said he had normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol and no diabetes, normal blood sugar, which is VERY unusual, I mean he had all the risk factors for basically everything in the book but he was considered to have a healthy blood work, normal CBC, lipid profile, etc, yet you see some very fit, normal weight people with high cholesterol, diabetes, heart conditions, etc. Someone said in another topic that we live in a simulator, so our genetics are determined by a random number generator in the software, what you land on is the luck of the draw :D Maybe it is intentional for "population control" so some people live to be older, some people die younger (balance). Some people are fit and thin and get knee replacement surgery......some people are morbidly obese and outlive them until eventually their unfortunate condition catches up to them. That said, people should not only take this into consideration and just eat unhealthy - it would still be a gamble. Some people smoke like chimneys and never get lung cancer while others don't smoke as much as get cancer.
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#11 by tasman1 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 15:00

valerie wrote: Living an unhealthy life style WILL most probable reduce your life span and
often dramatically.




I have read how much life is lost smoking cigarette

Under that scenario I died some 50 years ago

To be honest my health was never so bad like it is in last 3 month since I stopped smoking , sound stupid I know but ....
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#12 by rajukurup » Sat Sep 08, 2018 17:55

tasman1 wrote:
valerie wrote: Living an unhealthy life style WILL most probable reduce your life span and
often dramatically.




I have read how much life is lost smoking cigarette

Under that scenario I died some 50 years ago

To be honest my health was never so bad like it is in last 3 month since I stopped smoking , sound stupid I know but ....

ye,s health is gift of god and related to genetics ,I know a man who was a big drunkard and a chain smoker who lived up to 90 years but another man who cared his health by following healthy lifestyle but died in his 50s .So I feel genetics has the major role in the life span of the individual. and also by following a healthy life the life span may extend for another 5 or 6 years
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#13 by valerie » Sun Sep 09, 2018 09:10

Our DNA/Genetics of course plays a role. Just like some diseases are passed on thru
heredity.

Our life style plays a major role and possibly more important than our heredity.

Two women looked at a house I recently sold. The woman that looked the youngest
is almost 93 years old. She has traveled the world for over 40 years, helping to feed
the poor in various countries. There didn't look to be a thing wrong with her. I would
have guessed her to be in her 60's or early 70's.

So we do some times see people that not only live a long life but a life in which they
function extremely well.

Anyway, that is why I say, I want to live forever. I have no desire to put a number on
the year I will die. The most important thing, I believe, is to realize we are visitors
here for a short time and hopefully can contribute in some small way to make someone
else's life more satisfying.
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#14 by Micshad » Wed Sep 12, 2018 07:16

We watch reruns of Hogan's Heros. I was curious if any of them were still alive. There are 2 of them Robert Clary who played the Frenchman (he really was French), but I forget the other guy. Robert is 92. A couple lived into their 90s.

I think a lot depends on lifestyle and genetics. It also helps to have lots of money and famous because the best doctors and hospitals are at you're beck and call.
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#15 by valerie » Wed Sep 12, 2018 19:00

Micshad wrote: We watch reruns of Hogan's Heros. I was curious if any of them were still alive. There are 2 of them Robert Clary who played the Frenchman (he really was French), but I forget the other guy. Robert is 92. A couple lived into their 90s.

I think a lot depends on lifestyle and genetics. It also helps to have lots of money and famous because the best doctors and hospitals are at you're beck and call.

That's a good point. Not just actors but people with very deep pockets can often have very
regular check ups, even some daily, and the best health care money can buy.
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#16 by Darkstar2 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 09:03

valerie wrote:
Micshad wrote: We watch reruns of Hogan's Heros. I was curious if any of them were still alive. There are 2 of them Robert Clary who played the Frenchman (he really was French), but I forget the other guy. Robert is 92. A couple lived into their 90s.

I think a lot depends on lifestyle and genetics. It also helps to have lots of money and famous because the best doctors and hospitals are at you're beck and call.

That's a good point. Not just actors but people with very deep pockets can often have very
regular check ups, even some daily, and the best health care money can buy.

Being rich and having all the money you will ever need does not necessarily mean you can live longer, in fact, there are MANY examples of rich people who have neglected their health (because they have spent most of their money on material stuff) and some of these indulged in drugs, alcohol, etc, and died younger than the average. One thing tough for those who do not mess up their lives with all the riches they have, money becomes more and more valuable as you get older, because it can ensure that you will be taken care of and treated with good care and DIGNITY in the best of homes or even your own home with some modifications (which are quite expensive) and some in home care, which is also expensive. It all comes down to how you use the money, and unfortunately many of the people with deep pockets misuse it ;)

Again we have the argument of genetics, some of those rich celebs smoked like chimneys, I'm surprise some of them did not die much sooner, (George Burns was one of those with crazy genetics) and there are many examples like that, they smoked like chimneys and they were heavy drinkers. All the money in the world cannot buy you good health and genetics, it may buy you SOME time with proper care and medical treatment if and when you will ever need it.

One thing I like to see though is people who get older continue working and doing what they are passionate about, they keep their brain function and at work. Idle hands and minds is what destroys a person, as often people see old age as retirement and sitting on your rocking chair at home spittin' some seeds in a bucket and singing O ma'Darling Clementine ;P I've been observing around me lots of folks of a certain age who have kept on working and remain active in those years, and have lived the longest, whilst I have seen many people "retire" early and end up with all kinds of health problems. So yeah, this is a trend, you can see people with all the money in the world they would not need to work and could support themselves and their entire family, yet they continue working. That will be me, IF I have the misfortune to live that long :D I'll only start singing O'Ma darling clementine at age 100, but not sooner :D
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