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#1 by dsbe » Wed Nov 02, 2016 21:52

Due to the fallout of the traffic monsoon scam, apparently paypal is again going after the traffic industry. According to one report they are going after any merchant site that sells advertising space.

I don't see anything here but I sure hope this site has a backup plan in case paypal comes after this site's merchant services. Now might be a good time to start moving towards bitcoin as that is something that can't just be shut down

anyway, that is my two cents.
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#2 by valerie » Wed Nov 02, 2016 22:19

Yes well you and many others over the course of ten years since ClixSense has been
online, has made very similar comments.

In the early days, ClixSense paid out by check.

At any rate, I don't think I would be too concerned about it.
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#3 by nursemorph » Thu Nov 03, 2016 00:05

Traffic Monsoon, like 99% of similar sites, was a scam from day one as there was nothing in place to sustain the level of payouts (same with all HYIPs)...it was simply a matter of time. Clixsense is an established site that Paypal knows is trustworthy and doesn't rely solely on ad income to pay people (like TM and others which, without ad income, have no income)...Clixsense's ad income is, I imagine, quite small compared to the income from surveys and tasks etc so if ad income was drastically reduced/ceased, the site would still generate income anyway (and would likely have more profits given the ad side of things results in a loss for CS).

I wouldn't even give a second thought to PP doing anything
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#4 by tasman1 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 01:19

Nah......We are safe here plus i never invested here and still got over 1500.00 from ClixSense
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#5 by linphil » Thu Nov 03, 2016 02:19

TM was a scam which ripped me off and a family member. Clixsense is above board and long may she reign.
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#6 by sp1915 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 06:38

I don't believe it is due to the TM scam. I heard a new law went into effect earlier last month by The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and it appears Paypal is dropping as much risk as it can and making changes.
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#7 by Marcel-R6 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 07:20

Hilarious topic,if you read between the lines,the topic starter is just trying to promote bitcoins :lol:
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#8 by valerie » Thu Nov 03, 2016 07:24

sp1915 wrote: I don't believe it is due to the TM scam. I heard a new law went into effect earlier last month by The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and it appears Paypal is dropping as much risk as it can and making changes.

Well I read what that fellow said about that and that is also what I found very weird, sp1915.

You see, PayPal has almost always focused on reducing risks after their start up years. I was
one of the first people to join PayPal and back in those days, people could just about get away
with anything. Every make money program online used PayPal. I can recall getting paid for
all kinds of crazy junk I joined way back then. After a couple of years, PayPal began to slowly
change. Bit by bit they began weeding out whatever they deemed as scan or simply put 'risky'.
In addition, that fellow mentioned '$50' risk max. Here again, that did not make much since to
me. All banks that I know of, have risk management, scam management, and all sorts of
notifications to allow the user to know when larger monies/purchases are taking place. In addition
to that, people do too from APPS to all sorts of credit protection, etc.

Now in regards to PayPal, I ask you, IS ClixSense a risk?

1. ClixSense has been online for ten years and is PayPal approved

2. ClixSense is free

3. ClixSense does have an almost laughable optional upgrade fee of only $17 per year. There
is absolutely no legal closeness of being illegal nor risky. If they were charging an upgrade of
$200.00, that would be stepping into the illegal scrutiny. Also, most members do not even use
PayPal or any other processor to upgrade. Many simply use their earnings.

4. ClixSense has a refund policy. This is very important. ClixSense does offer refunds on
upgrades and advertising too.

5. ClixSense does not own Task programs. ClixSense does not own survey programs. ClixSense
does not own offers. ClixSense is only responsible for ClixSense.

6. ClixSense is a fine line in regards to what 'some' may refer as having an MLM structure. In
reality, ClixSense only has a finders fee on their free standard membership and even with the
low upgrade option, it is still not forced and has no stoppage across the board with a cut off not
much deeper than a tier program. But here again, there is no risk anyway since the upgrade
fee is optional and only $17 per year and can be paid by way of earnings.

The fact of the matter is, ClixSense does not have any risk at all. $0 risk.

So when you talk about anything else out there online, you are attempting to place ClixSense in
a bag it does not fit in.

In regards to BitCoin, it has already been suggested in the feature request forum but I wouldn't
hold my breath for it to be added.
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#9 by sp1915 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 07:37

Quote:Now in regards to PayPal, I ask you, IS ClixSense a risk?

No it is not considered risky at all.

But I have to add neither were traffic exchanges which are all now in the process of being restricted.

These TE merchant accounts were also PayPal approved for many years.

I'll have to keep checking their Terms of Service for any changes being made.
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#10 by Charez » Thu Nov 03, 2016 07:42

Paypal is acting weird even with the non business account
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#11 by valerie » Thu Nov 03, 2016 08:13

PayPal has always acted weird.

Well, I don't know sp because I don't know which traffic exchanges you are referring to or how many?

If a program gets a lot of complaints whether immediate or over time, PayPal has been known to
cut ties or worse.

I'll do a search and see if I can figure out which traffic exchanges you are referring to.
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#12 by Charez » Thu Nov 03, 2016 08:17

Lot of traffic exchange sites are getting hit by paypal since about June since year. And doesn't matter how big or old is the site. It is getting like a domino chain
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#13 by valerie » Thu Nov 03, 2016 08:30

Well charez, PayPal has always cut off Traffic Exchanges and more. It doesn't matter how old
they are per se. It depends on how they operate, what type of affiliate structure they have or
implement, how much they charge, if they are operating as a legal program, if they have stopped
paying their affiliates, how many complaints they get, and so on.
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#14 by sp1915 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 09:14

I meant the entire manual traffic exchange industry.. they are not autosurfs or scams. charez is correct. It's been a domino effect since June but I just learned of it this past week. All Paypal buttons must be removed and any reference on the site to Paypal. In some situations the owners limited/banned is lifted once this is done.
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#15 by BouldRake » Thu Nov 03, 2016 09:39

To be fair, traffic exchanges are generally coupled with a ponzi scheme in the upgrade system. I'm not sure where the line is between legitimate MLM and outright ponzi, but I think there's a difference between getting $1 once a year when somebody upgrades, and getting a 70% revenue share of everybody's upgrade fees every month.
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#16 by valerie » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:07

That is probably the case, they don't want to deal with it any more.

Just like MLM. In the early days, PayPal accepted all MLM. After a period of time, MLM was
launching every day. They began closing one down and then another and so on as the
complaints flowed in. Now, it is rare to see PayPal accept any MLM, especially any new
MLM. Occasionally you will see an MLM launch with PayPal listed but it doesn't take long
for PayPal to find them out and freeze their account. So even if it is a legitimate good
functioning MLM with great products, they don't want to be bothered with it any more.

So I suspect, they have had enough of the traffic exchanges too. Too many not giving
refunds, too many complaints, and too many scam traffic exchanges.

A lot changed too when PayPal was sold to eBay. That is primarily what they are today.

Whatever the case may be, ClixSense is approved by PayPal and has been for years. If
that ever changes, then I would say they would deal with it the best they can at that time.
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#17 by BouldRake » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:51

It went downhill the day Bill Harris left. Being acquired by eBay was the first major symptom, not the cause, imo.
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#18 by dsbe » Sat Nov 05, 2016 08:14

Marcel-R6 wrote: Hilarious topic,if you read between the lines,the topic starter is just trying to promote bitcoins :lol:

actually no. I could have posted links from admins having their sites and PP accounts limited that had nothing to do with bitcoins but I wasn't sure they would allow the links to be posted here

but if you're paying attention, you will know that BTCs are the future of online payments and probably a wise thing to use here
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#19 by dsbe » Sat Nov 05, 2016 08:31

also, one of the admin notes I read said that they weren't just limiting accounts for paying commissions but also if you received them. So we could see paypal go after affiliates in their next phase. This wouldn't directly hurt CS but could indirectly hurt them by targeting their members. For this reason I have started keeping limited income in my paypal accounts. Basically just enough to cover my advertising expenses. I was going to start building a cash account there for diversification purposes but that could easily be limited. I will be keeping more of my income on CS and I suggest others do the same for safety reasons and to punish PP (and for those wanting to read between the lines, yes, this is a plan between me and the admin to keep income on the site :lol: ....no just kidding :twisted: )

If you want me to post the links to this info I can
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#20 by BouldRake » Sat Nov 05, 2016 09:51

Again, ti's the same old story we've been hearing for close to two decades.

PayPal closes accounts belonging to ponzi schemes, and dubious MLM programs, they also freeze the funds of those at the top of the pyramid who definitely didn't know what they were doing, honest, while they're investigated under money laundering regulations, nothing ever comes of it, and the funds are released, with the exception of a few big winners at the top. The sky falls as the world panics, but legitimate users walk away completely unscathed without anyone ever looking at their account.

This was fun the first time round, just after the dot com bubble burst. It's boring now, can we at least have a new crisis to feign fear of?
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