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#1 by proadco » Mon May 18, 2015 23:38

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#2 by claxyclicks584 » Tue May 19, 2015 00:06

Yes it's legal. As Crowdflower is a private company they can require anything they want as long it does not violate discrimination laws and does not violate any other laws (Crowdflower cannot say you have to murder two people to use their service)
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#3 by proadco » Tue May 19, 2015 01:39

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#4 by TiagoLemaire » Tue May 19, 2015 01:44

Forcing people to use facebook is discriminating against the Sick , Disabled and the physically deformed that can't have a facebook page due to their appearance.
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#5 by S_Abbott » Tue May 19, 2015 05:40

Unfortunately, internet laws are still in the "iffy" stages. Until or unless all countries can actually agree on what is/is not legal across the board. While the law is adjusting ... there's still a long way to go.

However, what Crowdflower has done IS morally reprehensible and unconscionable. It is a dictatorial edict which I still believe only serves their own pockets. Offline companies do NOT (and cannot) force you to unlock your home so they can snoop around. But they don't mind reading up on their employee to see if they've been behaving (giving them reason to fire). This ridiculous enforcement from Crowdflower could very well put folks who work offline in jeopardy.

There is NO excuse for them doing this. There are many sites online with extremely good and accurate cheat checks. I find this reasoning of their's to be bogus and contrived. And will continue my boycott. I won't ever work for (or volunteer for) any group of individuals who take away my freedom of choice and right to privacy.

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#6 by BouldRake » Tue May 19, 2015 09:47

ProTip: When a company tells you they think article 8 of the human rights act is optional, they possibly don't have your best interests at heart, and should probably be avoided, even if they did revert recent changes.
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#7 by dukuntekno » Tue May 19, 2015 12:43

they should make their own system for their business (for any purpose. essentially, fb login is to filter cheaters). relying on facebook service only show how weak their engineer are.

but again, in the internet, you cannot join ClixSense if you do not have an email (gmail, yahoo, any company will do. do you think ClixSense forced you too?). some site refuse msn (or any microsoft related service) to be used. you cannot join facebook if you do not have email, you have to sign in using FB, g+ (open id or other) in order to post a comment in a 3rd party widget like disquss. many other sites, apps or services do the same (require 3rd party they don't own, in order to participate).

i'm no law, human rights, internet, IT or computer progamming master but, to me fb login and email login are the same. forced or not is just a concept depends on how you see it.
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#8 by BouldRake » Tue May 19, 2015 12:47

It's completely different.

You know who controls my email? Me.

You know where my email is stored? My computer.

You know who has access to my email server? Me.

Anyone can run their own mail server, and it's under their own control. Nobody can install their own Facebook. You're at their whim, and they're in constant breach of European privacy laws, and contrary to the human rights act. Constantly.
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#9 by proadco » Tue May 19, 2015 12:51

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#10 by dukuntekno » Tue May 19, 2015 15:22

i don't really care about facebook and what they do, i don't really use them. don't get me wrong, i am not saying that their FB integration was a good idea, i feel better if my CF account is not linked with any social media (they also have twitter linked when you hit "share your dashboard"). whatever they use, openid, twitter, linkedin, stumble upon, g+ or any other, doesn't really matter to me. what they can really do to me (and you), really? my facebook is not my home, my facebook is not my life; whatever they do to my account, whatever happen to my account will do me no harm.

but again, they should have build their own system/ anti-cheat filter, not relying other's. and i heard FB login is an optional now, no longer mandatory.


BouldRake wrote: It's completely different. You know who controls my email? Me. You know where my email is stored? My computer. You know who has access to my email server? Me.

Anyone can run their own mail server, and it's under their own control. Nobody can install their own Facebook. You're at their whim, and they're in constant breach of European privacy laws, and contrary to the human rights act. Constantly.

who control your facebook account (profile and other informations)? is your email system/ protocol private and a direct transfer ( between sender and recipient)? is the agent, protocol and other service (listed below) made by yourself (to make sure no one really watches you)?

you control what you put in your facebook profile and everything there, the same when you sign for free pop3mail. privacy is just another concept. if you do not want other to see photo you post (your profile and anything), make it private. but doesn't mean the data is safe and you are the only one who can access it; fb staff, 3rd party or random people might still be able to see, it for a purpose (case study : CrowdFlower published task to verify twitter user). if you really don't want others to access your info, do not post/ share it on the internet. what happen when your private information made public?

i assume running a social media site like facebook is not as simple as running a mail server, but who own mail server at their home? like how many? not everyone have the time to learn and understand its agents and protocols, spam filter, encryption (both sender and receiver should know the same encryption method), anti-virus, firewall and so on, you know better.

but if we are talking about the internet (privacy), every single bit you sent from your device stored in a local router, small server, bigger server, database ceter untill it hit the target. even if you remove/ delete it, the data stay there for a while, scaterred in many places. and some sites (paid service or just a random stalkers) makes a duplicate, backup everything people post. your post from 15 years ago might still there, somewhere. what photo people upload (fb, twitter, instagram, basically any social media) this very second are listed in certain site, and it is free for everyone to view.

and now who control the internet (services, server, data center etc), its every single bit data transfer and records? maybe we should go back using wired tin can or paper cup.

proadco wrote: dukuntekno don't confuse an email address with the CORPORATE FASCISM, where CrowdFlower are leading folks
to Market like herds of Cattle.
yes, email and social media are different (by its definition and purpose), but don't confuse login process with other concept.
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#11 by BouldRake » Tue May 19, 2015 15:34

Quote:who control your facebook account (profile and other informations)?

Facebook. With a backdoor the NSA and GHCQ.

Quote: is your email system/ protocol private and a direct transfer ( between sender and recipient)?

No - this is why I primarily use Zot. However, it is PGP encrypted, and stored on an encrypted filesytem. You've got to work for it.

Quote: is the agent, protocol and other service (listed below) made by yourself (to make sure no one really watches you)?

Yes. I'm not the project lead, but I am the leading contributor.

Governments have, for every day purposes, an infinite budget, no, we can't protect you from them. What we can do, is make it expensive, and protect you from casual surveillance.

Quote:i assume running a social media site like facebook is not as simple as running a mail server, but who own mail server at their home?

Actually, it's way easier. Anyone who can install WordPress can install Friendica or RedMatrix. But mail isn't all that hard. apt-get install postfix, hit return three times, done. But you don't have to host your own - the point is you have a choice of provider, and aren't limited to a centralised human rights abusing data silo.
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#12 by S_Abbott » Tue May 19, 2015 20:46

dukuntekno, yes they "changed their mind". WAY too late. Many of our folks felt forced to make new FB accounts (which is against FB Terms of Service). Many others wound up linking their original FB accounts. You don't think CF was all in their business, think again.

The debating might continue, but what some of us are trying to say is that it was WRONG WRONG WRONG to force the issue at the beginning...and LIE about why they were trying to enforce it. None of it was necessary had they done the right thing up front and just get their own programmers to create or install anti-cheat systems of their own. And maybe go join some affiliate program to help fund their company.

Which is why I believe fully that their reasoning was bogus. Someone decided to do something snarky and they wound up with backlash. AND their rescinding the enforcement came way too late for many. Thse people are linked, the ones who don't clear their cache, cookies, temp files, entire computer on a regular basis. And...human nature being the way it is...many folks really don't do a good job cleaning their computer.

Something stunk then and it still stinks now.


Thing is, we personally can control how much goes out about our business...if we bother. And many of us who've been online for a very long time know to take measures to safeguard our business. We learned the hard way. The people who are against what CF did in the beginning were justifiably concerned. No, I'm pretty sure there's no real way to completely put a condom on your comp, but you can do quite a bit to keep safe.

And last but not least, this folly cost a lot of folks loss of income for quite some time.

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#13 by TiagoLemaire » Wed May 20, 2015 00:57

What's this about them changing their mind , You still have to login via facebook?
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#14 by Krish900 » Wed May 20, 2015 07:48

this is why i have never used crowdflower nor never will, my time is worth more than a few cents
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#15 by valerie » Wed May 20, 2015 08:34

Someone posted a topic in the Task sub forum that stated CF discontinued
the forcible Facebook log in. I assumed, members/users no longer had to
go thru Facebook to log into CF.

The reason why a lot of shix happens is because people allow it to happen.
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#16 by sonyjmn » Wed May 20, 2015 08:49

No Valerie still it says to do tasks log in with your facebook account.

Just now i clicked on tasks tab to do tasks but it is showing log in with facebook account

After clicking on tasks tab it shows this
A Facebook account is required to perform tasks on CrowdFlower.
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#17 by valerie » Wed May 20, 2015 10:37

sonymatta wrote: No Valerie still it says to do tasks log in with your facebook account.

Just now i clicked on tasks tab to do tasks but it is showing log in with facebook account

After clicking on tasks tab it shows this
A Facebook account is required to perform tasks on CrowdFlower.

Ok.
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#18 by S_Abbott » Wed May 20, 2015 18:53

Yep, I haven't looked again but I remember someone posting they reversed the login, too. So, the mandatory stays?

Not right. :( And certainly not necessary.

And I'm still boycotting. And spreading the word. ;)
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#19 by proadco » Wed May 20, 2015 19:49

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#20 by dukuntekno » Thu May 21, 2015 06:59

AlienMommy wrote: Yep, I haven't looked again but I remember someone posting they reversed the login, too. So, the mandatory stays?

Not right. :( And certainly not necessary.

And I'm still boycotting. And spreading the word. ;)

from my understanding, fb login only needed once in a while (maybe a month), not everytime you login to your dashboard or perform a task (as long as its cookies on our system and not outdated). if your IP changed*, you have to login using FB again.
*only if a complete different IP set (carrier or locals) used. changing from 62.123.x.x to 62.121.x.x will not require fb login
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