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100 Million Americans Without Jobs:Businessinsider

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#1 by ancient350 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 23:05

The national unemployment rates gets lots of attention, and lately more attention has been paid to the workforce participation rate since more Americans have given up looking for a job, but we can also see that an astounding 100 million Americans don’t have jobs.

That’s an all-time record and it’s an increase of 26.2 million over the last 12 years. It’s as if we absorbed the entire adult population of Canada and not a single person had a job.

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#2 by valerie » Sun Jun 03, 2012 01:30

I'll comment by first saying, statistics are not always as they appear to be.

However, there is no doubt that an increase of the unemployed has taken place over the years.
I believe there is many contributing factors to that.

For starters, America has been losing it's factories for many years. I'll give an example since I am
56 years old and grew up by Chicago in the Indiana suburbs. Take a well know industrial city such
as Gary, Indiana. Do a search online for it and it is not much more than a ghost town today. Back
when I can remember and lived up there (in the 1960's), Gary was a booming town. It was full
of steel factories. In fact, my father worked at a factory called 'Inland Steel' at one time many
years ago. The point I am making is, America did not lose it's manufacturing over night. It's been
going over seas for years. Bit by bit, town by town, we've lost our factories to other countries.
Who is the blame for that? I don't think that it can be entirely laid onto our government but sure
they have a lot to do with it in regards to taxation. People keep wanting more and more. Pay
scales going up and up. But who wins with that? The pay scale increases, groceries increase,
gas increase, medical increase, housing increase...and it goes round and round with the only
winners being in the corporate ladders.

Another thing I believe that has hurt us is education. There's a lot of crap going on in our
school systems today. The education system is not always leading our children in the right
direction or preparing them for the new job demands of today. And of course, many children
can't afford college. So here we have another vicious circle. Kids not going to college, entering
the unskilled work force, which is resulting in longer lines at the welfare office.

There is something else called 'the baby boomers'. I guess you could say, I am one. But it
does go before me as the baby boomers are now either just entering retirement of almost
ready to retire. This is resulting in a lot of hardship on the old medicare system. Not to mention,
the higher prices and the older adult, working longer now if he/she can.

There is probably a larger work force out there doing what I would call 'side jobs' or simply put,
jobs that pay cash and do not hold out tax's. Since Americans are getting tax'd left and right,
it's no wonder only about 50% of Americans pay their tax's. Then take a look at all the wealthy
that are scheming and not paying their tax's or not paying as much as they should.

Then there is the 'nickel dime ya to death' syndrome taking place in this country. It is a killer.
Every time you pull a bill from your mailbox, you're sure to see an increase on it. Just recently,
my home landline phone, went up $10 per month. Something about tax, is all I know. Heck,
I rarely even use my home phone. When I bought my property/home here about 8 years ago,
my weekly trash pick up was $8.50 a month. It does not matter if I have trash to sit out for
pick up weekly or not, I still have to pay that bill. Today, my monthly trash bill is $17.50.
You do the math on that! $8.50 eight years ago, $17.50 now.

Every time we walk into a grocery store, we can see increased prices. It's rising way too fast.

I cannot for the life of me, figure out how a young family or an old family for that matter, makes
it. Take the elderly, on a fixed retirement income, all their money goes for medicine and doctor
bills. Take a family that has 2, 3, 4 or more children with both parents working at normal,
average paying jobs. How the heck do those families survive?

The housing crash has resulted in high rent. With more people out of their homes and looking
for a place to rent, it's tougher for them and to beat all, greedy people charging higher rent prices.

Then look at who we have as president? And then look at who we having running for president?
Ya got to be kidding me! Does America not have any one better than that? And it's not about
color altho people like to holler racist. The president is half white and half black and the guy
that's running against him, I guess is white, last time I looked anyway.

A little old black lady said on a show I watched last night....

"My father taught us there is no race except for the human race."

Few words that make so much sense but people still just don't get it. They are too busy being
greedy and focusing on putting others down to make themselves feel better or smart or some
such ignorance as that.

All I can tell you is, best buy a bunch of vegi seeds while you can still buy them.
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#3 by rlutia66 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 02:15

valerie wrote: All I can tell you is, best buy a bunch of vegi seeds while you can still buy them.

btw - I wonder if people like farmers or self employed are registered as unemployed.

On the other hand, because you were talking about Chicago, times of big factories with thousands of employees are gone and who's trying to stick with this idea it's wrong.
This is the small plants & services era - some jobs may look quite abstract for people living in the past.
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#4 by ancient350 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 22:50

It is important to know that the 100 million Americans without jobs are honest people or they are frauds and criminals.

If honest people are not earning money then it is end of world economy. If frauds and criminals are not earning money then no problem
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#5 by ancient350 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 22:51

Now there are 2.3 billion internet users. People create jobs government does not create jobs.

Now stay at home mothers, fathers, old people, teenagers, internet users earn more money then salaried office workers or company workers
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#6 by ancient350 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 15:17

How many of these 100 million Americans are earning good money from clixsense and other PTC websites??

If 100 million Americans are without jobs why are advertisers paying multi-billion dollars for expensive TV advertisements and other expensive Ads because 80% viewers do not watch expensive TV Ads.

Instead big advertisers must buy Ads with PTC websites like clixsense so that multi-billion dollars comes to PTC websites and their members.
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#7 by valerie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 15:47

You can't look at only one aspect of it. It's a combination of many things, in regards to income, no income,
employed, and unemployed. That's why I say, you can't take statistics on it's word.

It is said that over 40% of Americans do not pay income tax to the government.
Well, if over 40% are not, then how can you possibly come up with an employment or non-employment figure?
You can't.
You may be able to count the people in the welfare line and/or in the file for unemployment line.
But that's about it.

Let me give you an example and these are made up examples yet factual in the sense of many people do it:

John works for a self-employed small time construction business owner, name Greg.
John and Greg have been friends for many years.
Greg pays John, cash money every week. John does not file income tax because he does not turn in the
cash earnings Greg pays him. Greg, does not turn in the earnings record on John because in the end, it
saves both Greg and John money.

Sue and Bob are married. Bob is unemployed right now and drawing unemployment benefits.
They don't have children at home and actually they don't have many bills to pay.
Bob's unemployment check covers their bills and they can even go out to eat once and awhile and
to see a movie. They also draw monthly foodstamps so their household groceries are covered.
Sue makes about $1,000 per month online. She dibble and dabbles in various programs of which
none of those programs turn in earnings reports to the government.


That's two small examples of income not submitted or reported to the government.

It's a problem. A big problem. A problem that has not been totally figured out in regards to resolving it,
in America. Many people need every bit of assistance they can get from the government. And to take
it a step further, some of the people cheating and not filing their income, deserve the assistance too!...
because they simply are not making enough money to cover everything or live a life free of money issues.
The problem tho, is that many people that need it, could get more IF people that didn't need it, weren't
taking it.

No matter what, I believe most people want to work. I really believe that. Sure there are lazy people
out there and some people would rather starve than work. Most, however, really do want to be self
sufficient and feel good about being capable of taking care of themselves and their families without
having to stand in a welfare line.

Today tho, I think people are more picky about what jobs they will take. There are jobs out there that
are not filled, because Americans won't do those jobs.

I watched a show of an executive and his professional wife. Both lost their jobs. Both were crying
because they were in default on their million dollar home. Both had some job offers but the jobs
were not the type of jobs they wanted. Duh!

Now I tell you something. I don't have a vehicle payment. I don't have a mortgage payment.
I'm fortunate that I don't. But I will tell you this also...I do NOT live above my means. I could
have more expensive vehicles and I could have a more expensive home IF I wanted to sign
on the dotted line and make monthly payments on those things. Don't get me wrong, there is
nothing bad about having a mortgage or having a vehicle payment.....as long as you live within
your means and can afford it. America stepped in poo because of the banks giving out mortgages
to people that could not afford it. And those people are not all stupid. They knew they could
not afford it and/or did not have the job security to afford it.

Anyway, if things don't get better, the prices are going to continue to rise and people are going
to continue to not be able to afford things and jobs will be less and less because the people cannot
afford to buy. It's a circle that can lead to some very tough times.

Buy the vegi seeds. Cause ya just never know when you might need to grow your food.
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#8 by valerie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 15:52

And by the way, next time you drive by a big fancy million dollar house, be thankful you don't
have their mortgage payment. :mrgreen:
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#9 by rlutia66 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 16:01

Somebody, financial guy, was saying it would be more easy to pay taxes on spendings instead of paying on income.

I think it's just a matter of timing - like with the VAT - as a company you have to pay the VAT at the time you release the invoice not when you actually got paid. On the other hand, you can deduct spendings only at the time you actually paid, not at the time you receive the invoice. Small triks for gov to get the money asap ;)
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#10 by valerie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 16:24

It's a thought but they would need to redo the total federal system and guidelines.
The thing is, people can and often do, earn money from more than one income stream.
The real problem is when it comes to what the government allows a person/family to deduct.
So if federal tax's are paid up front, there would need to be another system also for people that
really need to pay more in and for people that really should be getting funded for their deductibles.
Deductibles like mortgage interest.

Sales tax is what drives me crazy where I live. Some states in the USA have a low sales tax and
some have a high sales tax. Some states do not charge any tax at all on items you eat. Whereas
most states do charge tax on food items. Some states have a lower sales tax on food items then
other states that charge tax on food items.

I live in TN and it's a HIGH sales tax state. I pay almost 10% sales tax on everything I buy. I
actually save money buying online from sites that do not charge a sales tax. Tennessee does
charge tax on all food too, not quite as high as 10% but still very high. About a 40 minute drive
and I am in the state of KY (Kentucky) where there is absolutely no sales tax on any products
consumed into the body such as food and drinks. Also, KY sales tax is 6%. It's crazy the way
the sales tax's are from state to state.

Tennessee is the 3rd highest food tax in the nation:
Tennesseans for Fair Taxation


Because of Tennessee's tax on food and the highest general sales tax in the nation with no state income tax, the poor pay more in taxes - the richest 1% of Tennesseans pay only 3.3% of their income in taxes while those earning $17,000 a year or less pay almost 12% of their income in taxes. Not only is it unfair, it's unsustainable to provide the quality of life and public services ALL Tennesseans need and benefit from. If our legislators eliminated the tax on food, reduced the general sales tax and implemented an income tax on the wealthiest Tennesseans, 2/3 of us would see a tax cut AND the state would have an additional $1 billion in revenue to fund vital public structures.


So, we're rather peeved to say the least, down here in Tennessee. We don't think anyone should have to
pay tax on food.
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#11 by rlutia66 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 16:39

I see your concern but it's more based on human mentality - why me? why for me is different than for somebody else? and you might be right. I don;t even know how these money are used

On the other hand, lol you say 10% is high ? Come here and pay 24%.
How does it sound to you 24% when buying a $10-20k car? How does it sound 24% when you hardly get the money to buy a new house?

And this while it's a 1% tax for unemplyment that goes straight into some people pockets that makes from this a way of living, instead of financing their education .
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#12 by valerie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 16:50

Well yeah, that's why people need to work to change things, no matter where they live.
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