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Explanation of BOTS - FYI

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#1 by valerie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:56

I hear a lot of complaints that bux refs for rent are bots. I believe that to be for the most part true.

I don't know what everyone means by 'bots' exactly because there is several different types of bots.

The original term of bots was simply a digital approach to faking enrollments or faking hits. In other words,
it was all done electronically and not by a real person. Understand I am not talking about how bots really
became to be a word which relates way back to chat rooms and such. I'm explaining here now, to those
that use programs today such as bux programs and the similar.

There are also various software that people use to automate the enrollment process. For example in the big
ole days of enrolling to safe lists, people would purchase safe list automation software and some times safe
lists themselves, even gave away the software to their members. I have used it myself. The way the safe
list automation software works is, you download the software to your computer, you open it, and you see a
list of safe lists you can join, you can then join them all by automation or another means, depending on the
software. For example, the software may be so automated that you don't have to join each one individually.
You just enter into a place within the software, your sign up info and the software will automatically enroll
you to each safe list when you click 'go'. Like everything else, some safe list automation software was better
than others. You may ask why a safe list would give away the software to their members? Well because they
wanted members and they wanted as many members as they could get so it was a scratch your back thing.
You place my safe list in your automated software and I will give away your software at my safe list too.
Some of those automated safe list softwares had hundreds upon hundreds of safe lists listed. I guess they
are still out there today. Just for the record, they really did stink because most people that used them,
never purchased anything from the safe lists. All it amounted to was a number bragging count for the
safe list.

Another type of automated software can in fact generate fake user names. Scam programs and the like
can use such to pretend their program is larger than it is, or to in some way, make money from non suspecting
members/users.

Back in the old days, we use to do anything we could to gain referrals. I had some software once that would
pull email addresses from every where on the internet. It was free too. I followed the instructions, went to
a classified ad site, hit the go button, and it pulled thousands upon thousands of email addresses from that
classified ad program. I never sent emails to those people. I was to afraid to. That would have put me in a
spammer class and I'd probably been booted from my ISP. I will say, it was fun to watch it in action, sucking
all those email addresses in just minutes.

There's a lot more I could tell you about how spammers do things but I won't. Because I don't want you to
know. You don't want to get into that, by no means.

The point I am making to you is, there are a lot of ways for people to try and cheat systems, automate
things in a bad way not just a good way.

So we can now say that one form of bots, is automated software that may be bad in that a program may
generate fake referrals. They might of course, get some real referrals thru traffic or someone not going
to a direct member site, and sign up under the company/program site. We also know that some people
will have software that automates the enrollment process so they can join many sites of the same nature
so they can enroll quickly to many by using one process....just like the safe list software I used as a real
example.

The Double Whammy: Or whatever you want to call it, is related to the program that uses bots. Some
programs will relay their database member number whereas others won't. Why and Why? Well some
will relay their member numbers because they want everyone to see how big they are. But are those
numbers real? Well, if they are selling referrals and they have extreme high numbers, this could very
well be a strong precaution measure you should take. What if they don't display their database member
numbers but they are known to be very large....here again, proceed with caution because they don't
want you to know how many members they have since it could be, they are using bots to sell or rent
referrals to their members. If a program ALWAYS has lots of referrals for rent/sale, best proceed with
EXTREME CAUTION...and here is why...

YOU may be into internet marketing, YOU may be into making money online, BUT did you know that
the majority of users online, are NOT. In fact, it is a very small percentage of marketers online compared
to the number of users online. Let's use our COMMON SENSE for just a moment at least....

Look at Facebook, linkIn, MySpace, Shopping Sites, Medical Sites, and all the thousands of other sites
out there. WHAT IS IT that PEOPLE ARE DOING? They are looking for information and fun. They are
NOT all looking to make a dime. Some times as marketers we get caught up into thinking everyone
is looking to make money online and in this little sector of ours but that is not so at all.

Now that we know that, we can do our math if we want to. How many people use the internet?
Ok out of those users how many are actually in the 'we join stuff to make money programs'?
Ok once we have those numbers we can do some subtraction and then we can ask ourselves...
how many of those people that are in the make money online sector, are actually going to dish
out large sums of cash on risky stuff? Do a little more subtraction. Alright now then lets ask
the question how many people are going to spend money on renting or buying referrals???

The numbers are large but they are not as large as you may think. After all, when we get down
to the very nitty gritty of subtracting Nutrition programs, Domain name programs, Cash back
shopping programs, Communication programs, Travel programs, and so on and on and on of
those types of programs that pay their members in some sort of affiliate or mlm fashion....oh
did I forget to mention AFFILIATE programs like ClickBank, Ma and Pa stores, and so on....all
these places that give people a way to make money.....we now subtract all of those and then,
we look at the BUX INDUSTRY.

Did you do the math? Well, if you have your COMMON SENSE hat on, you really don't need
to do the numbers. Common Sense will tell anyone that it IS a mathematical impossibility
today, for many of the BUX programs out there to SELL or RENT the number of referrals
they are renting/selling. IMPOSSIBLE.....only if those referrals are REAL.

Now lets take this one little bitty step further. It's called 'do nothing' mentality. People
every day join things for free but do nothing after they join. The number of do nothingness
becomes higher with the program that charges LARGE FEES in order to make money.
We can again look at BUX sites in that many people join them because they don't have a
lot of money to invest on RISKY programs. After they join, they may click ads as for awhile.
Of course, why not, see how much free money you can make. After a few days, they say
'hmmmm I've clicked ads every day for three days and I only have 2 cents'. They get to
looking around to see how others are making such big money with the program and they
find that they need to pay $90 to upgrade or more, that they need to pay a monthly fee,
that they need to get hundreds if not thousands of referrals and all this is going to cost
a LOT of money. You know what happens next don't you? They become an inactive member
or they drop out. And, it might have been a very good thing they did.

Let's look at ClixSense. It's been online 5 years. It's success is proven. They display their
member base on site in plain sight. Their numbers make sense don't they? Yes. It's not
an outlandish number for being in business for 5 years. Ok what else? Well, do they RENT
and/or SELL referrals? NO. Ok what else? Do they charge monthly fees? NO. Ok what
else? Can free members truly earn enough money to cash out? YES. Ok what else? Do
they charge high upgrade fees? NO..a one time low yearly fee and it's ALWAYS been low.
Even the puny $17 per year upgrade fee that takes affect Feb 1st is extremely low.

Well, what about all those people that are making big bucks and constant payouts in BUX
programs? Do you know how much PROFIT they have made? And how many of them are
in BIG PROFITS. How many are not in profit? And how many months and or years did it
take them to net some profits? Also, how many are telling the TRUTH of how much profit
they have made?

FYI
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#2 by uzair_friends » Wed Jan 18, 2012 13:02

Great info!
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#3 by oberder » Wed Jan 18, 2012 13:20

:thumbup: Well-made insight, Valerie -- many thanks for sharing the info
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#4 by rheydickson » Wed Jan 18, 2012 19:31

Thanks with this info.. :thumbup: .. But still referrral available to rent every week is kind of fishy to me.. :geek:
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#5 by Jamesrudy » Wed Jan 18, 2012 23:27

Thanks a lot Val, for the enlightment , great inof , :clixsense:
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#6 by maricon_012002 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 15:07

Nice info, Valerie. I've been with different PTC, and I can see the difference of ClixSense from other PTC/PTR, whatever they call their sites. There are some that "pay" a dollar or so per click. There was one time I earned around $2000 but minimum withdraw is $10,000, or I could pay premium of around $200 to withdraw immediately. They also offer buy or rent direct referral and I have to pay for it. Why not deduct the premium and referral fee from what I earned? I mean, is it some kind of a joke? It is obviously a scam. I had to stop or I might be fooled by that site because of that huge and fast "income" scheme. There are also some PTC sites that steal DNS or spread malware and viruses (I was a victim of that).


I trust ClixSense. I've been a member for a few months but I'm definitely satisfied. I will upgrade soon.
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#7 by jzt451 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 23:51

I HATE bots way too many bad experiences with them over the years. I remember one time someone hid a malicious code in one it took down my entire server.
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#8 by Darkstar2 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 22:50

maricon_012002 wrote: Nice info, Valerie. I've been with different PTC, and I can see the difference of ClixSense from other PTC/PTR, whatever they call their sites. There are some that "pay" a dollar or so per click. There was one time I earned around $2000 but minimum withdraw is $10,000, or I could pay premium of around $200 to withdraw immediately. They also offer buy or rent direct referral and I have to pay for it. Why not deduct the premium and referral fee from what I earned? I mean, is it some kind of a joke? It is obviously a scam. I had to stop or I might be fooled by that site because of that huge and fast "income" scheme. There are also some PTC sites that steal DNS or spread malware and viruses (I was a victim of that).


I trust ClixSense. I've been a member for a few months but I'm definitely satisfied. I will upgrade soon.

You can't possible be serious - The $1 per click and $2000 you earned is not real money at least it is not really worth $2000...$10,000 minimum cashout ? LOL - that is a dead, slap in your face giveaway of a SCAM....Right, like there is any PTC that will gladly make tons of PayPal mass payments of $10k each, even if they could, they'd get their account limited pretty quickly......faster than you can say SCAM.

the ponzi model is used especially by bux sites, that is what it was intended to be initially. They use upgrades and renting / recycling money, renewals and purchases to pay back investors through a ponzi scheme. Bux sites keep you hooked and build traffic using the renting of bots, which is a lottery really, but scripted not to give out more money than money coming in - some win, some lose, some break even.......... Keep in mind that a site does not need to use bots to scam people - they can sell or rent real people as referrals but control the clicks you are getting credited for, in order to control cash going out....

having a LOW AVG with rented referrals is often perceived by people as "bots". When actually, the opposite is true. Majority of bux sites using bots actually give you amazingly high AVG and active referral bots, inciting you to invest more money (greed factor), and statistically people will re-invest their earnings, and this is how the scamming admin hooks you - they bait you with the high AVG bots, then BOOM, they run with the money or significantly lower your AVG and make you lose (taking the money back) - this is what ONBUX did !!!

The performance and patterns I am seeing with my DIRECT REFERRALS here on clixsense are identical to the patterns I have seen with my rented referrals back in the days on that other big PTC.

It is a major headache this whole deal with referrals which is why I always like relying on my own efforts to earn money. Whether you rent or get direct referrals they will eventually become inactive over time - it is statistic and human nature because people become lazy even if you put a huge earning opportunity in front of them. I have a US referral not doing 1 single bloody task or offer when he could be making $5, $10, $20 a day - Looking at his stats he has a bunch of DRs, mostly inactive......so he's only earning a few pennies and barely clicking on his own....... People want to earn money but are too lazy to work (some)......So this is the problem when dealing with rent or direct referrals.........which is why it is good to rely on your own earnings.........Unless you have direct referrals you have a 1:1 contact and that you referred yourself without recruiting them randomly........preferably people you know.

Misconceptions people have about BOTS, those are myths and not facts:

* BOTS click only 1 or 2 ads a day, humans click always the maximum !
* BOTS click well at first then stop clicking, unlike human referrals !
* BOTS click every few days, humans click every single day !
* BOTS are programmed so you NEVER profit and lose money !

The term "BOT" is commonly used when talking about referrals on bux sites. It is often believed (and a fact) that bux sites do not use real referrals but use a script with a pre-programmed algorithm to allocate credited clicks based on site revenues. BOTS don't actually click any ads - The non human referrals are simply part of a global script running and controlling the AVG and credited clicks. So another misconception people have is that you are renting "BOTS" that click ads instead of human referrals, which is wrong because the non-human referrals you are renting are not actually clicking anything !
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#9 by valerie » Wed Oct 03, 2012 00:18

Bot's was around long before 'bux' programs existed.
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